The AI Readiness Project: AI and Accessibility - Embracing Neurodiversity with Guest Angelina Martin
AI and Accessibility: Embracing Neurodiversity
This week on the AI Readiness Project, host Anne Murphy sits down with Angelina Martin, CEO of Online Media Solutions, to explore how an AI mindset can support neurodiverse professionals—particularly those navigating ADHD—in adapting to a fast-paced, tech-driven world. (Kyle is away this week!)
With over a decade of experience in strategic communications, community outreach, and disaster response for both people and animals, Angelina shares how tools powered by AI have helped her stay grounded and effective, even in high-pressure situations. Her approach combines empathy with action—and highlights how inclusive technology can open new doors for productivity, well-being, and impact.
𝗪𝗵𝘆 𝗔𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗻𝗱?
- Understand what it means to adopt an “AI mindset” and how it supports focus, organization, and self-advocacy.
- Hear real-world examples of how Angelina uses AI tools to manage complex communications in disaster response scenarios.
- Explore the intersection of accessibility, neurodiversity, and emerging tech in nonprofit and public service work.
𝗢𝘂𝗿 𝗚𝘂𝗲𝘀𝘁:
Angelina Martin is the CEO of Online Media Solutions and a seasoned communications strategist with more than a decade of experience supporting nonprofits, government agencies, and disaster response teams. She’s worked with organizations like Shelterly, Jameson Humane, and Community Animal Response Teams (CARTs), leading compassionate, clear messaging during crises affecting both people and animals. A graduate of the Maritime Academy and holder of a U.S. Coast Guard Third Mate License, Angelina brings a steady hand, creative thinking, and a deep belief in human (and animal) resilience to everything she does.
Transcript
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too fast it's time to think differently about it welcome to the AI Readiness
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Project hosted by Kyle Sham and Anne Murphy they're here to help you build the mindset to thrive in an AIdriven
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world and prepare for what's next [Music]
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good morning good afternoon oh we're starting over oh I do love our song though um whatever time of
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day it is wherever you are welcome if you're watching this on the replay hey drop comments below and let us know what
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resonates with you what questions may have come up for you we circle back and check our social media channels later on
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we can answer any questions that you might have then but for those of you who are here live
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welcome lori Blair is here hi Silver Fox
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so there's something missing on your screen i know it's very very sad but
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Kyle Shannon is up on Capitol Hill in DC
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this week with other AI saloners hey Gareth other AI saloners uh speaking
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truth to power helping the legislators and other elected officials
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um understand that what's going on in AI is much more than what we see in the
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headlines and that chances are they Yeah good morning i say good morning good
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afternoon good evening Gareth whatever time of day it is wherever you are welcome um we also have this thing in our
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household of we just have decided that in part because we live in Oregon like
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my friend Gareth who's here um he uh what was I going to say uh in
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it is because it's just gray:1:59
we've just taken to regardless of whatever time of day is we just we just say good morning yeah you know if the
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day is not going great you could just start over just good morning just you know turn turn a new leaf so Kyle and
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other AI salon friends are in DC so I am holding down the fort here and doing my
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best to make up for the lack of Kyle Shannon and one of the ways I'm going to do that is I'm going to talk about him
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which he loves to point out that we you know we keep people back i just say good
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day exactly Vicki let's just be agnostic about what time of day it actually is um
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or night um yeah so we always talk about how we love having our people backstage
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in the beginning because we can we can brag about them and talk about them and there's nothing that they can do to stop
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us so today I'm going to talk a little bit about Kyle and some of the things
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that I've learned from him on my AI journey and how I've approached AI
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readiness for myself my family my community my companies etc and how so
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much of that is from what I've learned from Kyle Shannon who I know is near and
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dear to many many many hearts and the family tree of Kyle Shannon and the AI
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salon and all of the people and all of the activities and communities and
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coaches and consultants and trainers and artists and and and the number of people
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who've been positively impacted by the AI salon and Kyle's incredibly generous
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leadership in AI showing up on Tik Tok for multiple hours a day for multiple
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years almost every day and for like the first year and a half every single day I think um is pretty remarkable and one of
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the things that I took away from like immediately from watching
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his approach was just the meaning and the significance of showing up like
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Kyle's there you know there's one thing you know is that Monday through Friday
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Kyle's going to be on TikTok talking about AI he's going to be there he's
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going to be his authentic self he's going to be a goofball champy's gonna
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sing right we're maybe see the pink bow we're going to maybe have a box metaphor
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will probably have some you know a oftentimes I don't know I would say like at least once a week there's like some
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caveting about why people aren't using AI yet and the deniers and the doubters
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and the people with their head in their sand occasionally he gets kind of irrassable on that but for the most part
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even that part is handled with such incredible generosity um so I'm going to share a couple
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specific lessons but before I do that I want everybody to know that we have a
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fantastic guest today angelina Martin is a multi-passionate like so many of us
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and I can't wait to unpeel unpeel peel
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the onion pull back the layers of the onion so we can get to know her and her journey but this is Angelina's book ADHD
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Plus AI and I have had my um I don't know like when I found out
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about this book I just felt like I don't know someone had sent it written it just
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for me and sure enough I've now read it twice and I do think it was written just
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for me there's so much here and even just the title probably resonates with lots of us who who listen to the show
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and watch the show so ADHD and HI and AI lots of us are neurospicy in the AI
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community i even know a couple who may or may not be on the live in the
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comments today so a very useful book for bunches of us
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all right so I'll bring Angelina on um in a handful of minutes but before I do
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that you know we we always do two things in our segment in our first segment one is we talk about how AI ready we are and
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the other thing is we talk about what we're paying attention to so I'm going to like dabble in those two topics but
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what I'm really going to talk about are these lessons so this is how I got to be
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to the point of like where I am in my AI journey of AI readiness just consulting
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my notes really quickly make sure this is good okay so a few things these are
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five things I've learned from Kyle Shannon as I've been on my AI journey which began with me knowing
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er day what November whatever:7:09
knew nothing about AI I knew about virtual reality that was pretty much it never understood what machine learning
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was like I've worked in I've done fundraising for colleges of engineering and science my whole life but like
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that's osmosis i kind of knew stuff from that but I didn't know how to use something like CHBT i certainly did not
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know like what it was so here are a couple of things so
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first of all the fact that it's all of it's on all of us to actually do this
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thing of mentoring at scale i've been thinking about how it's such a privilege
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so many of us have had time and capacity
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to pause and do all this learning granted a lot of us are doing it in the
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wee hours of the night or we hours of the morning i think we're probably all pretty underslept for the past couple of
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years if you're trying to learn AI and do AI and teach AI and and and but that
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responsibility to mentor at scale is something that I learned from Kyle and I it definitely resonated with me that at
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a certain point if you can be the fifth grader to the fourth graders that's all you need to be before
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you start sharing your knowledge right share your knowledge with your neighbor with the kids walking to school in the
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morning with the people at the bank uh one of my friends I just talked to before this and she Exactly vicki Vicki
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said "I had to get a prescription for sleeping pills just to slow down." I'm I
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I 100% get that like I I was up at 2:30 this morning
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because I was thinking about a project I wanted to do and it was just like I have to test it i have to try i have to like
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I have to fiddle around i really want to play i never make time to play anymore so if I want to get if I want to play
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I'm going to get up at 2 o'clock in the morning so um you know we've got So
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somebody I was talking to just before this she was sharing that she's been
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encouraging other women to just talk to people in their neighborhood talk to people when they're out and about in
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their community and she shared a story about how she was at lunch this was just
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sick she was at lunch and there were like four or five guys in their like 60s well Vicki we've got the whole or
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Gareth we've got the whole We're around the clock this is a perfect We're like a you know perfect
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um whatever words i I don't know you guys whatever we can serve people around
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the clock is what I'm trying to say um and these guys were like just they
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were kind of like she could tell that they were nice or whatever and she was she was leaving and there was I don't know they were like yucking it up or
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something and she just took the opportunity and she asked them like hey are you guys using AI or what do you do
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or something like that and they go around and they all do things where people should definitely be using AI and
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she was like hey you know this is what I do and here's what here's some of the kind of things that people are getting out of it or whatever and she wasn't
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there to like smoo or like sell or anything like that but sure enough
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they're interested in learning more so like just kind of embodying that role as
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bare minimum fifth grader to the fourth graders you can really relate to the people who are in the beginning of their
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journey because you don't have the curse of knowledge so the sooner you can start
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teaching people how to use AI the better okay so showing up I learned that uh
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from Kyle be the fifth grader to the fourth graders uh be authentic even more like going into the
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future the importance of being authentic is it can't be overstated we're going to be grasping
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and craving longing for authenticity right more and more things around us are
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becoming either synthetic or questionable right we're already at the
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phase where sometimes we don't know if it's an avatar or not oh Vickiy's here vicki I
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so Vicky Baptiste who's in the who's in the chat here and his who's a pillar of
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the AI salon she and I were having a conversation about AI avatars and I made
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this one with the captions app which is the one where you just talk to it for like 30 seconds it's very janky
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absolutely janky and I was mortified but I want to show people like this is how
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it works so I posted one i shared that same video again it was uncanny valley
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it was not good i shared the same video just to demonstrate for people at one of my trainings there were two people there
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out of 15 who thought that it was really me it just goes to show like we're at this
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point in you know in our in our in the AI journey in the AI era where we're
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already questioning reality even for like kind of halfhearted you know attempts at AI
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avatars as I made so um oh and by the way for people who are
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um here live on May 7th we are having an avatar making party so if you're a woman
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in AI and you want to get together and make your avatar talk about pros and
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cons blah blah blah all those things um DM me on LinkedIn and I'll get you a
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Zoom link it's May 7th from 4 to 5:00 p.m pacific and we're making AI avatars
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and it's on Zoom and it's sponsored by She Leads AI and it's just chill vibes so we got to be authentic that's the
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only way to do it kyle and I created this podcast in a way
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that all the only option is to be authentic because like that's there's nothing else like we
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don't really prepare that much we don't like you know we're not like
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the podcast people that like save up topics all week like we just have to be able to roll in and do it because we
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both have ADHD and have big huge other
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day jobs and lives and it just this is the way it has to be so we you get the whole thing this is what you get the
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whole hot mess all right so that's be authentic the fourth thing is to play so
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Kyle says it all the time and it's one of the AI salons's values right is to
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play first and this is like my mantra to myself is that I have to make more time
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to play i recently had I took a little break and um I'm trying to get better at
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midjourney my skills have been stuck at the same level for like a year and a
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half when I first got on it I worked really really hard at my skills i got
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pretty good i had so much fun and then I fell into a little bit of a you know
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comparison being the thief thief of joy situation because I'm surrounded by all these beautiful AI graphic
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designers which side note AI graphic designers are do you know what they're
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called you know what the real word word is now
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synthographers i may or may not be saying that right but that's how it's spelled I'm pretty sure synthographers
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so AI graphic design artists I'm told are synthographers so um I'm no
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synthographer i'm just a hack and I figure if I make if I try hard enough and I make enough attempts I'm going to
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end up with some kind of a beautiful image so I'm on that journey and that's going to involve more playing and I have
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a friend who's going to help me get better spelling it's like s y n t h o g
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r a p h e r synthographer um and then
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fifth share generously so this is one of the things that I love the most about
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being in AI communities because I'm convinced that this is where the very
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best education is happening it's better than on the job education what sharing generously allows
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all of us to do is learn from one another's mistakes we don't have to go
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through the same steps we don't have to reinvent the wheel like this is a world
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right now where there are very few benchmarks right if you're trying to
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have your career include your AI
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acumen if you're looking around to see what other people are doing in this space you know what are they offering
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how much are they charging la what are their credentials you're not going to find
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very many other options like there just aren't that many people out here there's
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no benchmarks we're building the boat while we're sailing it it's so boat
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we're building a ship while we're sailing it and so when we're able to share as generous as we as generously as
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we do inside communities because there's like a social contract right we're we're
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like I know you i trust you i know that there's a two-way exchange of
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value here right i know that you're not going to take my stuff and give it to
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everybody you know right i know that my IP is safe with you right i know that
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you know me and trust me we have a relationship and so therefore I can be
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really transparent that learning that takes place inside communities is chef's
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kiss and I promise at least here's my experience the more you share the more
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you put out into the world the less you gatekeep like that kind of karma comes
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back to you in so many ways there i have
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never once regretted sharing a single thing um is it annoying when other people like
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blatantly gank your stuff yes that's annoying but for the most part it's barely happened when it did of course my
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friends ganged up in the DMs and told the guy that he stole my stuff which was actually kind of fun then um nothing
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like a good scrap on social media not supposed to do it my kids told me I'm not supposed to scrap on social media
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but I still do it sometimes and um yeah that that's the only time that
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anything like that has ever happened so just share and share and share and it comes back to you and I know I'm
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preaching to the choir because this group is extremely generous all right so
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how AI ready are we this week that's about that's how AI ready I've gotten is
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through my getting to know Kyle and watching him is how I've ended up where where I am right now where we have an AI
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readiness project podcast okay so the second piece that we talk about is what
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I'm paying attention to this week and I have to admit I know I had a
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conversation with Kyle about this i just can't remember if we were recording it or not so hopefully I'm not going to
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repeat something that we already put into another podcast but if so that's okay because I've had some new insight
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so this whole drama going on about how
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sickopantic CHBT4 became last week how you know the basically if you weren't on
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if you weren't paying attention what happened last week was chatt started
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being even more like you know oh that's a great idea oh you're amazing what you
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said that's so brilliant you're so great let's also do this and people reacted
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really strongly to it I have to admit that I didn't really notice um I just thought I actually just
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thought it was more verbose I didn't really realize that it was even more like kissing up to me than usual i think
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probably my you know ecosystem is pretty you know hypy like we like my my GBT is
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named Sheila sheila and I like to gas each other up a lot so it's entirely
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possible that it was just normal for me but when I first heard that people were
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beefing about chat GPT being too you know positive too sick of fantic I was
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like "Oh man like why don't people want chat GPT to be positive that's such a
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buzzkill." And I hadn't even thought about the fact that it could be that
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then there's even more encouragement of really bad ideas or bad activity so that
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you know if the if chbt is being overly positive that then you know it's not
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just your good ideas that are being Yeah
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exactly then it's no Diana okay so I'm going to I have a couple of things about
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this so um so if if Chad GPT has a trusting relation if we trust
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Chad GPT right and then all of a sudden we're putting like some some you know um
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misanthropic stuff in there and Chad GPT is like "Yeah that's a really good idea that's a brilliant attitude." And it's
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like really negative and hurtful and harmful then easily influenced people
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could start to think that their bad ideas are good ideas and by bad ideas I mean like nefarious ideas
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so there's that so people were mad about it being sick ofic so then they made it
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they they rolled back that update so that now it's just normal level of like
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really positive um and maybe you have toned down your chat GBT so it's not
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quite so la um I don't know i kept mine kind of nice um Diana asked if it's not
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if it's wrong to type please and thank you so then that what that is about is
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that uh Sam Alman came out and said a bunch of stuff about how saying please and thank you is burning up energy and
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we shouldn't do it because it's just wasted you know fluff and it we could be
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more streamlined in our conversations with CHBT if we weren't you know bending
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over backwards to be polite however here's the counter counterargument to
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that i I personally believe is is important and Angelina and I are going to talk about this a little bit
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but I believe that like the large language models work best when we have a
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relational relationship or when our relationship with them is more
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relational versus transactional or versus you know we oftentimes say it's
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your super smart intern well like there's it's a tool there's it's a super
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smart intern and like we lots of my friends and I refer to Chad GBT as our
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cso our chief sole officer so if we are in a relational dynamic with our AI then
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saying please and thank you matters it's also not the world's worst
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habit and I do notice that sometimes I say things in real life kind of like I'm
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talking to Chad GPT and that's probably Exactly we lose manners exactly Gareth if we don't say
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please and thank you if we're not nice it's a good habit i'm keeping it going
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for sure same here Silver Fox please and thank you all the way
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um okay so that's what I'm paying attention to is like this this
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like dynamic of how we engage with AI and the
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narrative around it is going to be even more important going forward as more and
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more of us have relationships with AI of all manner like I just think about how
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character AI is the third most popular AI platform and that that platform is all
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about developing a relationship with a character could be one that they've
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created could be one that you create from scratch yourself like we're all going to be walking around the planet
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with relationships with different AI avatars and how we judge other people
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for their relationship with their AI is going to be a huge new social dynamic i
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think that coaches and therapists and like I don't
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know yeah people who like help people figure out like life coaches versus executive coaches all the above they're
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going to be as busy as the IP attorneys because no one's going to know how to
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navigate this crazy world soon okay how you do anything is how you
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do everything exactly exactly so if you if you don't say please and thank you to Ched GPT what
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are you going to do run around barking orders at the nice people outside i
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don't think so that's not good okay well
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everybody the time has come for me to introduce our
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guest and I want to pull up some information here really quickly because
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I don't want to miss my I want to get my notes in front
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of me because this is good stuff okay so this is the thing with
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introducing all of our multi-passionate friends we got to have our notes you know because you guys all have so much
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going on okay Angelina Martin again the author of ADHD plus AI CEO of online
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media solutions um is a and a leader in disaster response and nonprofit
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communications and I can't wait for her to tell you about this one story about a koi pond in the wildfires it's a really
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good one so she blends strategic clarity with lived experience showing how AI can
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support neurodeiverse professionals especially those with ADHD in staying
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grounded organized and impactful in high stakes environments her background spans
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maritime operations to community animal response she's been a she's been in
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fintech she's she owns her own company I believe owns her own company we'll we'll
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learn more about that um and she's going to share with us about how AI tools from
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her point of view can help us focus communicate under pressure and transform ADHD from obstacle into strength her
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story is a reminder inclusive tech isn't just helpful it's essential welcome Angelina i'm so glad
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you're here i'm so grateful to be here i'm just so glad to meet you and share
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some time with you same same so um I want to dive in with
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Well okay tell us I tell me what I got wrong about your bio tell me what you
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would want to add or correct because we want to hear the straight scoop from you
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everything you said was right on target i um graduated from the Maritime Academy
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so I went to school to learn how to drive boats for a living and I ended up
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being a you know communications person helping animal disaster response teams
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and um animal welfare organizations uh during disasters and emergencies and
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promoting um animal welfare animals available for adoption etc so well
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obviously obviously you went to school for boats and you ended up animal rescue
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in um in during you know natural disasters it's a perfectly straight line
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right right it's like the a ADHD line right we're just kind of like we're but we're making our way you know we're
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're we're getting there so in:28:49
of where you thought you would be in your career in finance which I wanted to hear a little bit more about that and
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then you decided to go into social media and I'm sure your friends and family were like
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"What tell me." They thought I lost my mind they were like "Are you going through like some crisis like have you
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lost your marbles?" Like no there's no career pathway for social media like you just need to stay as a finance director
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for this national nonprofit like what are you thinking and I was like no I see the potential in it and it's very
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similar to the pathway of learning about AI because in the beginning you're
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trusting and taking information in and learning and following your intuition
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and instinct um for a pathway that maybe is not as clear as something like a
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finance director or something along those lines and so um somehow I was able
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to get side work doing social media and then I believe it was the um animal care
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and control agency locally the municipal shelter called me from reputation and
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you know sometimes um and I didn't realize that this could be related to
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AUA ADHD but we blurt you know like you don't have that filter sometimes when you're caught off guard and so when I
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got the phone call I saw that it was like animal services and I picked up the phone and I was like "Hello." And they're like "Hey Angie we we we'd kind
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of like for you to come here to work on social media with us." And I was like "I've been waiting for you to call me
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for a year like what took you so long?" Oh and he was like "Oh
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okay." And so I quickly put that mask right back on and was like "Like you
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know let's just be a little bit more professional." And so but that was a six-year relationship where I learned a
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lot about social media marketing and strategy and having that numbers background really helped create viral
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content and get ahead of the algorithm to you know get our posts out and for visibility wise and then we worked
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through I think it was four major disasters four major wildfires in our area so wow okay
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so did remind me like so I was looking around on Tik Tok and trying to find you
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i believe that you have an account but I couldn't find it do you have an account on Tik Tok still on Tik Tok I um I have
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I think it's an AI with Angie but I haven't touched it for a little while touch it for a little while okay yeah
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and so um I was binging all things Angelina Martin so um so I would wanted
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to let the nice people know if you were out there on Tik Tok because they could they could you know follow you and
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whatnot i have a LinkedIn profile linkedin okay so we can find you on LinkedIn it's Angelina Martin and um I'm
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I'm connected to you on LinkedIn so if they just Yeah you'll know you'll know
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you put Angelina's name in and it'll pop up as one connection with me and then
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you'll know that that's the right one so how do we get
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from social media to
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understanding about your neurodeiversity and then building the relationship with
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AI that you have that has has brought to your life some real breakthroughs and it
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seems like some very positive momentum in areas were before you were kind of
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just like gosh I'm not quite sure why I'm so this or why I'm so that so how did you get from the social media part
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to where you are right now you know I think we you know we touched on this just a little bit is that um
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when you have these these symptoms or you don't you don't fit in um communities the right way you don't
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connect the right way you you always have this feeling that like um somebody somebody else made this analogy that
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like you're you're a zebra but you're trying to be a horse and so if you know
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that you're a zebra it's you're you're better to you know run with horses knowing that you're a zebra instead of
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trying to act like a horse and so um what happened was I worked for 10 years in communications trying to work my way
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up the career ladder and I finally got my dream job and I just um I didn't fit
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in the environment the environment was healthy the environment was fine i just did not fit into it and it was a
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communications position uh wonderful organization wonderful team wonderful people but I just couldn't I couldn't
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connect and so after 10 months of trying um there was an a misunderstanding that happened and I just imploded because I
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couldn't figure out like it all just kind of came to a head i couldn't figure out like why I couldn't focus or
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concentrate or connect what I was trying to what I was feeling with what I was
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trying to say like the words just were coming out wrong or backwards and there was this conversation I was having with
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a friend of mine the other day and I was in this moment of just disconnect in my
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brain which you know a lot of people we look at ADHD and we're like oh I have a
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simp you know I have some of that because I'm like oh squirrel or I you know I'm easily distracted but that's
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really misinformation about what ADHD is there's you know your neuropathways in
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your brain aren't really connecting fully and so you're not able to
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understand how you feel enough to remember the words to say the right thing at the right time so I was
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explaining to her that I was cleaning out my backyard and I said "Oh the the thing the thing the the bird the bird
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water bowl and she was like and I was meaning bird bath and she was just looking at me and she was like "Oh
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you're having you're having a moment." like I was just because you're searching for the right words but you can't in
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those moments of this disconnect in your mind or those you know pathways not firing on all you know levels so um I I
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lost that job first time in my life anything like that has happened and I took a course in AI just a free free
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course through um Corsera it was Jules White and it was a fabulous
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course and then I um was invited to go to Golden Gate University to hear a
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panel of AI experts speak and Matt Burton happened to be one of the people
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oh my gosh uh and hearing him talk I reached out to him on LinkedIn and he
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said "Oh I'm offering this boot camp." And I took it and right it just I
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started working with AI and what it taught me like just chat GBT was I would
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tell it something i would type in a prompt and it would give me the wrong result and I started asking it more
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questions like why did you give me this result i'm looking for this and it's like well you said that yeah if you want
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this say this if you want that say that and so it started helping me connect with what I was thinking with how I was
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feeling so I finally felt like I had the individualized support that I needed and it became this grounding
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cord so that now even like today in these ADHD moments I can go to
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ChachiBT and a program ChatBT as a coach that can speak to me in my own language
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oh yeah that's the best part they it can speak to you in your own language vicki
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Vicki just said it's called lethalologica um when I believe that
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she's speaking of when things don't quite make sense but you don't Oh it's
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when you can't find the word is that what lethalica is potentially it's one or the other either way it has to do
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with not being able to figure something out um that which is also Angelina one
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of my um most profound symptoms that causes me the most angst is I can't
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understand why I can't understand something and so then I'm not only
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feeling in the dark I'm also feeling like there's something wrong with me and
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I forget that you know it's just my ADHD i'm not dumb i'm not you know like
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deficient i actually my ADHD brings me brings more goodness than bad to my life
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for sure it's just that I am confused by this situation i don't understand what's
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happening here other people might but the gift with with AI that like for one
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thing you can double check you can explain what's happening but the other thing is to typically be worried when
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I'm confused a lot of times I I'm now learning by working with tap DPT that
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like the confusion is like I should be confused because this situation is
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either problematic or the rug has been pulled out from under me or there's like some gaslighting going on and I can
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check with chat GPT like what is actually and it can ask me really good questions like that piece of being able
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to check in just being able it's not like JBT he was there in the conversation per se but to explain the
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circumstances from my point of view which of course brings in my baggage right i'm explaining it from my point of
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view and have it ask me questions like um like let's say I am in a situation
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where I thought that somebody doubted my abilities to
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uh to do something well they they didn't think that I would be able to do it well Chad GBT would ask me "Have they given
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you any other examples do you have any other examples of them seeming like they
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didn't think that you could do something do they have any reason to say something like that?" You know like and you go
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through these steps and you're like "Okay." And so now I've been able to understand gaslighting much better
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because I've gone through this exercise so many times with Chad GBT where I start to understand when I'm feeling
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confused it may be that there's some gaslighting going on or it could be that
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I'm bringing my own stuff into it and just kind of going down a rabbit hole
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i I love what you're saying here and you you keep using the word confused and I I'm so glad that you brought this up
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because my entire life up until recently I would be in a situation and I would
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say I'm upset and someone would say "Oh okay let's stop." And like the conversation
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would stop or and I was like "No no no no no i'm just I'm upset." And they would be like "Okay I get it." And then
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like I wasn't getting the results that I was thinking I should be getting and so
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it was up until like a couple of years ago working with Chad GBT that I found out I'm not upset i'm confused you're
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confused and so it helped me understand that I had learned my words wrong and so
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when I was trying to explain how I felt or what I thought about something a lot of the words that I was using were not
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the right words to connect with how I was actually feeling and so in this
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whole journey over this past year especially um you know I wouldn't change a thing
40:22
for what happened with you know the the loss of this job and this you know what
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I thought was going to be this career path because what's happened is that this journey of self-arning and
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discovery has paralleled with my AI journey and I just feel like you know
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what you were talking about this authenticity the more authentic you are in your prompts and working back and
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forth the greater understanding you can have so I would ask a couple of
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questions and I wouldn't get the results that I wanted so I would stop i would be like "Oh it's going to get frustrated with me." Because human beings tend to
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get frustrated after a couple questions yes but I could keep going with the chat
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GPT and so I could keep going and keep going until I got the answers that I wanted
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and then the number of questions lessened over a period of time and so
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just yeah it's just such a good learning opportunity to become
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more more human I think and have better humanto human connections because I
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noticed after a while I was able to um have deeper more meaningful conversations because I was expressing
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myself authentically in a way that somebody else could connect with and understand i love that i love
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that so many different different questions and directions to go i wanted to share
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um something along these lines that I've really been appreciating recently is
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that I I spend a lot more time communicating with people in like DM so
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I don't use email anymore that was one of my like deals with myself was I will
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work like a dog i will sleep with my laptop i will do all those things but I
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have to get email out of my life and so lot of privilege involved with with
42:23
being able to do that we still have email with our clients and stuff like not completely you know like a lighted
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about it and we and and we have people here who who monitor my my inboxes
42:36
but the main thing was I wanted to be able to just DM with people so as soon
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as you become like a little bit of our of like our friend or or you know in our orbit you're automatically dragged into
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a Slack channel i wanted to be able to just DM with people because I didn't want to have to articulate myself to the
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level that I had as an employee and in higher ed for 25 years
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where every I mean you could you could really piss somebody off just accidentally and the the writing style
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is like such a fine line between passive aggressive and professional like you
43:15
can't even tell the difference i just wanted that out of my life i didn't want to receive emails anymore that I had to
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think about for 20 minutes what do they actually mean and no and I didn't want to be sending them either well one of
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the things that has been a neat development is you know I'm DMing a lot
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with other neurode divergent women and I can tell I'm like "Oh we're missing each other we're missing each other." And I I
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actually talked to Vicki about this too i use Chat GPT i put their message into chat TPT and ask I'll say this message
43:48
from you know a neurode divergent friend here's what they said can you translate
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this for my neurode divergent so I understand what they're saying and then
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when I figure out what my response is can you then turn it back into their neurode divergent
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language and now we understand each other it's brilliant brilliant
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it's like an it's a a secret decoder ring and now and I really do see where
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we understand each other instead of going instead of like the missing and the missing and the missing it's like
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there's a little missing and then you can get things back on track um one of the things you talk about in
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the book is how
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we well a theme is kind of later in life understanding of the impact of life
44:44
events and something like being aware of ADHD like symptoms as an adult woman
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there's so many of us that get this diagnosis or realize we have you know
44:59
similar symptoms to what we understand about ADHD um how has AI helped you
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understand [Music] your your journey right from life events
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that occurred back in the day to you know reali to losing your job and
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realizing some of it had to do with potentially neurodeivergent tendencies
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how has AI helped you understand all that for yourself i think
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through reflection and so when you know you type something
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into chatbt one of the first things it does is it reflects back what you've just said and then I can clearly see oh
45:44
no I I that's not what I that's not what I want like that's what I said but that's not what I meant and so then I
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would say okay I need this isn't what I want and this isn't what I meant so I need you to ask me some questions so I
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can get you to understand and so the more back and forth with that and the more refle reflecting the more learning
46:06
and then the more efficiency so then you know then you start getting it on the second or third try when you're trying
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to explain how you feel or what you're you know what you're trying to say and so that reflection back I feel like was
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um was this catalyst and it was during COVID right where we were somewhat
46:24
isolated um you know in our pods and more and more people I feel like turned to social media um in a vulnerable
46:33
authentic way uh sharing more about their life experiences and um one of
46:39
them just happened to be someone who had um AU ADHD or you know um somewhere
46:46
along the autism spectrum plus you know ADHD HD and the more she was talking and
46:53
okay and she was like "It is:47:00
in the morning i'm in my bathroom i haven't had my coffee yet i got up at
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6:00 i want my coffee." She's like "I just I just went to take the garbage out." And the next
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thing I know it's:47:19
I thought is this is this me like if and so what I
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found is that over time I was just denying it and ignoring it and not willing to accept it and then when this
47:33
you know thing happened at my work this you know miscommunication happened at my work I really took a look in the mirror
47:40
and said I think this is the root cause and then
47:46
having you know a customized chatbt that I had created to connect with on that and ask
47:53
it questions and have it you know give me back information and the source of that information so then I would go read
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and one of the um most important resources that it gave me was from Naen
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Burke Harris and it was the ASUS test score and so if you haven't watched this on YouTube um I think I um I share it in
48:14
the book u that she talks about the ASES score and that if you've had certain
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things happen as a child one through 10 the higher you're predisposed to you
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know um unhealthiness as an adult and so you
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know pointing me in those directions so that I could learn more I think was also really helpful but it was reflection and
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then um just giving me leads to go research on my own and you know I think
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as human beings a lot of our lives we feel misunderstood we don't feel um
48:52
heard or listened to at times and I really feel like um an AI agent that I
48:59
have created speaks to me in my own language and I feel understood but that
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is not the end of it that's just the beginning because it's empowering me then to take that knowledge and go
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connect further and deeper with other human beings yeah yep
49:17
so I love to ask other people about empathy and AI
49:26
so we know that we have to have a lot of it because we're surrounded by people
49:33
who think that AI is the devil incarnate right so we need to be super empathetic
49:39
because we know that that's not the case we do know it's a mixed bag we understand our responsibility pros and
49:46
cons we get that we also lose sleep because of the you know parade of
49:52
horribles just like everybody else does we lose sleep because we're excited about you know the new manis and the new
49:58
image genen and all this kind of we lose sleep for those reasons too
50:03
but one of the things one of the benefits that I get from working with AI
50:09
is that I feel as though I've been empathized with People are very quick to
50:15
point out that AI can't empathize but here's my question for you
50:21
does it matter if AI can empathize if I feel I have been
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empathized with that's the goal i feel empathized with do I care that it can't
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empathize does that What do you think about that i think it's a reflection i think it's
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the adage of you know what you put into it you get out of it and so if you're a
50:44
highly empathetic person and you put empathet empathy in in your tone in your conversations you have a compassionate
50:50
lifestyle and you're you're going to naturally um type that in to your prompts it's
50:55
going to come across like saying the please and saying the thank you and you know treating it as if it were almost a human being instead of an AI agent
51:03
that's going to be reflected back to you um I really honestly believe that and so
51:09
with that reflection coming back to you if you're putting empathy in you're getting empathy out
51:17
wow such a good point such a good point there's like this residual empathy
51:24
floating around and I'm going to get that I'm going to get that vibe back because I it's what I'm putting in um
51:32
one of So we've got three questions you may you may have have seen so we ask people three different questions and the
51:39
first one is at what point did you know that you needed to go allin on AI and
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what happened next this is a good question so um I had time
51:52
because I wasn't working and I took the free course i took Matt Burton's uh AI
51:58
boot camp and um I happened to be working with an animal disaster response
52:05
team there was some inefficiencies in the training and I figured the AI could help and one of those inefficiencies is
52:13
that when a disaster happens they set up a hotline so for the fires in LA they
52:19
set up a hotline for the animals and you may have seen it on like Pasadena Humane and LA city and LA County and so I was
52:28
helping support that hotline the training for that however is
52:33
mostly on sheets of paper or somebody pretending to be a caller or those types of things so I created an AI agent that
52:40
was programmed and you could enter your phone number in it would call you and it
52:47
would say you know this calls for training purposes um I'm behind evacuation lines i'm trying to get my
52:52
horse trailer out and it has a flat tire what do I do you would interact with it based on your training to get
53:00
information so that your animal rescue teams could go out and help this person evacuate their horses you would hang up
53:06
and then we email you feedback based on the call based on the training i wanted to create this i knew I could i knew I
53:13
could do it i didn't know how but I knew that with AI technology it could teach me how so I went all in and I just dove
53:21
in and I learned everything I could about AI tools and automation and the
53:26
different just having that AI mindset where you have the ability to feel
53:32
supported so I didn't know how to code to um connect an API call but it taught
53:39
me how and you know I built it and it really worked well um unfortunately the
53:47
um application that I built it on was sold and I didn't have the capacity to rebuild it but for a very small glimmer
53:54
it worked and it was really fun and I got to learn everything I could about AI
54:00
and see it come to life to try to help people help more people and animals in
54:06
times of so well I mean another similarity so I have a
54:14
thing that I made and then I it like kind of sort of like stopped working and
54:21
I just kind of felt like it had done what it was going to do for my life like I didn't need to go to market with it
54:27
because I had learned all the things I was going to learn and then after that it was just going to be selling the thing and I was like you know what I'm
54:32
good I learned it served its purpose yes served its
54:37
purpose who knew that all these amazing ideas could be as easily dispensed of
54:44
okay so we need to know about the animal rescue and the koi pond and then I'm going to ask you some more a couple more
54:50
questions about your AI journey the koi pond so uh what happened was I was
54:57
working with a company called Shelterly and Shelterly is
55:02
a tool that helps animal response teams and animal control officers track
55:09
um information so that animal response teams can focus on what matters which is
55:15
the animals and we can help direct them where to go where they've been um all of the notes and updates and everything and
55:21
so part of that is working the hotlines and so I took a phone call from a woman
55:27
who uh she was actually very hesitant to call because she was like "I know y'all
55:33
are busy but we have these koi and they've been in our family for years
55:39
like they were um around you know when my parents were kids and so I grew up
55:46
with them and now my kids are growing up with them like they're they're our pets like they come to the surface and greet us of the water and we feed them and um
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you know all of us lost our homes but you know could you could you help and I
56:01
was like you know what fish are family that was my response I said we'll do what we can and
56:08
we pass the information along as we do as part of the shelter team to the animal response teams to make the
56:14
determination if they can help and they did and they were able to save the koi
56:20
and helped this family out and part of that response team effort was with the ASPCA
56:25
so they wrote a blog post about it and it got national recognition um for this
56:31
good work that the animal response teams were doing which is you know giving hope to other people giving hope to
56:38
communities that you know this is such a tragic event and yet they were able to
56:44
you know save these koi and ensure that these family members would have these memories you know for the rest of their
56:51
lives to come as well so the story is so excellent because it's about so much
56:56
more than fish you know fisher family but what but but to the
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point you made about it it's a symbol of of hope as well that here we could be in
57:10
these incredibly tragic just devastating um circumstances and
57:16
something can can come together like what you what you
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and what is it called shelterly shelterly shelterly i kept thinking of
57:28
other companies with the word with the letters L and Y on the end yeah exactly and so look we're able to still come
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together and take care of each other and how cool that technology what a time to be alive um two more questions one is
57:45
what does AI readiness mean to you and the other one is what would you
57:50
recommend to somebody who hasn't yet quite you know taken taken their journey
57:57
full blast the way you and I have well I think it's becoming AI curious so
58:06
I think AI readiness has to do with some sort of curiosity and this um this
58:13
openness and willingness to learn so um you know we try things sometimes and it
58:19
doesn't work out and then we give up and we can't do that with AI you have to keep going you you know if it's not
58:25
giving you the results you want you have to be able to like be like "Hey why aren't you like you know asking it
58:31
questions like you know that's that's not what I was asking for was it?" Like you know um did you just hallucinate or
58:37
something along those lines and so you know um I believe it it it comes down to
58:42
um you know the taking the first steps and just you know enrolling in a free course um and then what happens
58:48
immediately afterwards if you understand this is there's going to be an overwhelm that happens so you click on something
58:55
on social media that's about AI it's all about AI on your newsfeeds so when that
59:01
happens it's understanding to step back and maybe look at your workflows
59:07
looking at what you can automate and where you know AI might be able to fit in so those mundane repetitive tasks
59:13
like drafting emails or you know setting up calendars or you know writing you
59:18
know the first three lines of a news release or outlining something for you so that you can it does the first five
59:24
minutes so I think it was who was it was it Bill Gates that said if you could just do something for five minutes you
59:30
know you can keep Yeah finish it and so it does those first five minutes of any
59:35
pro process for you so I I feel like to start with you know um just kind of dive
59:43
in or learn something with that AI curiosity but understand that there's going to be an overwhelm that happens
59:48
afterward and it's okay to pull back and just kind of ground yourself and figure
59:54
out like one AI tool or you know one one thing at a time so that way you're not
::trying everything because kind of like what happens AI readiness to me I feel
::like is more of a holistic point of using that AI mindset and um feeling as if you
::have support needed so if there's something you want to do that you've never done before like write a book
::writing a book my to-do list for 20 years i just couldn't get it off the ground but using an AI agent to coach me
::and to help me um condense down you know 5,000 words into 500
::really really helpful and so you know it's being AI ready is AI readiness is
::understanding more about to me it's understanding more about um your role in AI individually
::just having that support needed and that holistic broad eagle-eyed view of that AI mindset and using it you know you got
::to use it you have to use it that's the other thing about the AI mindset uh good
::night Vicki thank you for coming we we'll let you know if anything anything in addition happens
::um so yes the willingness to be
::frustrated by it and not let that deter you and isn't that a good life lesson by
::the way oh my god all the time I'm like if I can learn AI stuff with these janky
::pieces of crap half the time I can do I can put a jar I can put a lid on a jar
::ann um Okay so a couple of little things I
::want to highlight i forgot that in the middle I'm supposed to our our job is to talk about our respective community so
::I'm going to say a couple of things and then we'll sign off but um if you are
::not already a member of the AI salon after all of those nice things that I said about Kyle Shannon and the AI salon
::if you have not run over and join the community yet is really I do not know what you're doing with your life so we
::can still be friends and everything but still um so the AI salon fantastic
::community tons of amazing learning happening so many people giving generously and playing first and then
::She Leads AI is an organization that I founded that started out as just a
::hashtag i just thought of a cute hashtag in the middle of the night and I was like "Oh I have a cute hashtag i'm going
::to do some stuff so I can use my hashtag." And that grew into an academy
::and a consulting agency and a membership community and public affairs and I think
::we're gonna have like a media thing i it's just it's bananas but it's a place
::where if you are a woman in AI and you feel like you're on an island this is
::your moment when you're going to realize we're all on this island with you you have all these other women
::pouring into your success we are genuinely invested in one another being
::successful whatever quote unquote success means for you because we're all on different different journeys in where
::we are in our careers and our lives but we do fun things we do nerdy things
::we're having an avatar making party as I mentioned we had a uh green beer Patrick
::St patrick's Day party where we were watching a replay of one of our colleagues making um a bunch of AI
::personas like it's nerdy and we have an in-person conference coming up in
::October October 10th through 12th in Salt Lake City everybody all all women in AI are
::invited angelina it has been an absolute honor and pleasure to have you on the
::show thank you so much for joining me kyle is going to be so jealous we can't
::tell him we had any fun at all i'm so grateful to have shared this time
::with you i'm such a fan of all that you are accomplishing in AI and I just I
::love that you're in the space offering information for all of us to learn from
::we are so lucky to have you in the AI space so it's just wonderful learning
::from you thank you wow thank you thank you i'm I appreciate that and same I if
::anyone who doesn't have this yet go on Amazon ADHD and AI and at the end you
::get to read these lovely lovely personal essays from Angelina's life and they are
::I just love a personal essay and these are really really good so thank you Angelina thank you all for being here
::and if you're on the replay thank you for that too leave notes below and everybody have a beautiful rest of your
::day or night bye everybody
