The AI Readiness Project: Finding the JOY in AI with Mary Massey

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forget trying to keep up with AI it's moving too fast it's time to think differently about it welcome to the AI

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Readiness project hosted by Kyle shamam and Anne Murphy they're here to help you build the mindset to thrive in an AI

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driven world and prepare for what's [Music]

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next love your same song It's So Gru we got such a funky funky opening I

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know Play That Funky Music yes exactly I'm loving the the

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sporting the Hat the trucker hat very nice solid well you may have noticed that I had the same hat on and the same

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hair yesterday last night at a salon meeting but it's been that kind of a

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that kind of a couple of weeks sometimes you got to go with a hat

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have you been it looks like you are back in the homestead yeah I'm home in Oregon

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and I'm happy to be home and then I hit the road again I think mid next week to

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go up giving um can I tell you what I'm doing next week really quick please I'll tell I'll tell all the nice people

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exactly tell everyone so one of the things I've gotten to do a lot of is training people on how to use Ai and I

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recommend that all of us once you feel like you're the fifth grader to the fourth grader you go out and you start

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teaching that is how you grow even more and one of my very favorite groups is a

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group of fundraisers who specialize in working with female philanthropists which is super important because women

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are going to have just about all the monies pretty darn soon because women are inheriting their parents money and

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the if you know heterosexual couples their um spouse's money and so I'm

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working with these people who work with the philanthropists are going to have all the money and helping them figure

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out how to work with women in their in in their different ways using personas

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and deep research and chatbots and wow data and and how to Crunch the data

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differently and how to write personalized everything because it's different and nobody knows how to do it

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how something new yeah wow that's so cool that's so cool wow that's really

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exciting yeah well so I well I'm doing I'm doing good I'm I'm uh we we had on

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the salon last night Liz Miller gersfeld co-hosted with me and and I so so why

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don't why don't we jump in let let's talk about let's let's let's do it let's talk about how ready for AI are we this

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week yeah so so catch me up you've been on

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the road and and then I'll I'll s to give you my two cents but you've been on the road you've been talking to a lot of

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people probably fa facing all sorts of reactions to what you're up to like

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where are you with it in in the context of what you've been doing the past couple of weeks yeah good question

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because I have had you know all types of flows and flavors in the past couple of

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weeks um I think for me where I am with AI is really like my own personal

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Comfort level with the fact that a lot of the work that I'm doing now at the

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very end of the day when I'm you know submitting my recommendations to a client it is it does mean less hours

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less days of pay fewer Consultants fewer staff members and you mean for the

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client for the client oh interesting I've never ever taken you know a Consulting gig where

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they approached it as hey let's figure out how I can pay a lot pay everybody a

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lot less or pay you know get rid of a bunch of jobs or a bunch of people never taken that approach and won't however as

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part of the like when we do an assessment one of the things we learn is what are you wasting tons and tons of

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time on yeah and so then once I tell them what that is and they do the math

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of how much money they are literally flushing down a toilet of course they're going to make that change right so these

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are hard conversations to have and I think a good example of the difference between AI literacy and AI Readiness AI

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Readiness is I'm ready for those really hard conversations yeah business owners

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to say here's what the data says the data says you're paying somebody a 100

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hours to do a job that takes maximum 25 hours what do you want to do with that

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information right right well and it also probably starts to look like

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who are your Consultants that are AI ready who are your Consultants that

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understand either what's coming what's possible what's here because I would think that you will likely be you know

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one of the ones that survives the cuts because you're giving them a window into

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what's possible right yeah and then they're going to make whatever decision they're going to make you know another

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thing I mean a decision is you know 70% of the time is wasted and they're just going to cut that time the other

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possibility is they're going to keep some amount of those consultants and do more things or do you you know ample

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effectiveness of those Consultants right so if they trust them and know them and those Consultants are willing to use

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those tools to work faster well then maybe they can get more done for half the money instead of you know third a

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quarter of the money the way here's how I think it's going to work in like in this kind of a a story that we're that

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we're discussing I think the way it works is you know they re they realize that they have some cost-saving you know

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opportunities here that means um they're going to pay some people less but those

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people are going to work less those people are going to have time for business development to bring new

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clients in the door so now the overall company can compete on price get more

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business because they they can lower their you know because their costs are lower yeah and assuming that they have a

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heart which most most of my clients are in the you know social sector they're in the heart business yeah the business um

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they will work with the staff to find to your point other things to do and in

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this case I think it's going to be business development but yeah if you're

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if your bosses hire an AI consultant whatever you do tell the AI

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consultant that you cannot wait to learn and Implement AI because that's how when the

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consultant goes back it's going to be there's going to be two groups of people one are going to be the Champions the other are going to be the resistors you

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want to be in the champion oh you listen I mean that's the whole point of frankly everything you and I are

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doing but the whole point of the AI Readiness project podcast is get off the

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sidelines I don't care how uncomfortable it is I don't care how non-technical you

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feel right which you know one of the big fallacies about AI right now is that you have to be super tech technical you

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don't um but but like it's an absolute requirement it and the longer this goes

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on I mean you and I have been paying deep attention to this for I don't know two three years something like that the

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longer this goes on the more I find it baffling that people are still sitting

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on the sidelines well I'll get to it I haven't really I haven't really gotten around to it I'm like well it's going to get around to you way sooner than you

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think so so let me share like I think that's absolutely fascinating and I mean

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I just it's it's it's rough because it's I feel like the first place people go with

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computers is the efficiency piece there's also this you can do more piece but I think they have to go to the place

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they know first and that that is going to go to we we're wasting a lot of time and well it it is what it is yeah yeah

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so so here's here's where where I am this week is um so so Liz Miller Miller

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gersfeld uh co-hosted the salon last night Leah Leah had a a shoot she had to do so she couldn't do it and I love Liz Liz is

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great but I haven't talked to her in a while and I said Liz how have you been and she goes well I've been kind of

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lonely I've been in how did she put it a a monastic Solitude or something like

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that it was this very lovely flowery flowery definition that that she got

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kind of so overwhelmed with all of the tools and all of the change and all of that that she kind of ret treated and

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she just went into this this quiet place of you know what does she really want

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and and like you know what's her vision what does she want to build what does she want to do and and she went into

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that quiet place and then she she picked a single tool and kind of went deep on it and then what she described is when

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when she sort of got to the bottom and she was doing this stuff down here she was like well wait a minute maybe I want to animate that or maybe I want to make

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sounds or maybe I want to and and she started kind of expanding out from this

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this really simple thing that came from a very personal place of of like what

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she wanted to express in the world or do in the world like it she just went to this very quiet place and started with

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that and then from that expanded out to tools she didn't know and like one of the things she demoed last night is

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she's now doing app development creating creative applications using these no

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code Vibe coding tools so she's got vs code installed on her computer and she's

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installing plugins that let her run code instantly and and I'm just like yes that

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feels so right to me because I've been kind of just Meandering up here in the

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noise and it just feels right to just go yeah no just pull back and figure out what do you wanna what do you want to

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put in the world and so that's kind of where I am is I I am I am not anywhere near that place that that she went but

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I'm like I recognize that as that would be nice I should probably nice well and last week we talked about

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playing more and so it seems like some kind of very intentional

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approach to doing so might be necessary um I did see what company was it

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somebody Josh Houston one of our previous guests uh shared something on LinkedIn a company that's giving staff

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$1,200 a year to take some time off and go learn AI and I think that that's

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absolutely brilliant let them let them take time off of work

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because it's I love how we have people in our in our communities who can like do something for three hours a day and

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then stop for me it's either on or off so I need oh interesting right I need

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like a day or two or three to dig de deep into something or else I just stay up until four o'clock in the morning

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yeah well didn't you say last week that because of all the work you've been doing that you you've kind of lost your

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play time yeah I have I I have not been playing with AI at all I've just been

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squeezing all the juice out of everything I already know how to do squeezing all the Sun out of it

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yeah yeah that's no good that's no good that's no good I got Manis and so we

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we're opening a zoom room on on Friday I want to talk to some people in the salon and see if you guys want to come um to

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just play with Manis for a couple of hours so I'll I'll start playing again with that yeah yeah no Manis Manis is

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interesting it you know it's it's one of those things if you don't know what Manis is it's this it's this agent that

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allows you it it just goes off and does stuff for you it either writes code or it does research for you um and it it'll

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do like I I think it's capable of spinning up like 50 web browsers simultaneously and like surfing all

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surfing the web in different web sessions for you and then compiling all that information it's it's just Bonkers

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and it you can watch it and you can even interact with it while it's off doing stuff you can say no I don't like that

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website skip that and go to something else it's just it's the first of the the of those

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kind of things that I've seen where I'm really like I'm trying to imagine what the

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future looks like if you've got something that off and spends 20 minutes or a half hours solving a problem for

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you what do you do in that 20 minutes do you do you spin up another thing and and

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um I think it was Riley Brown's done this and and someone else has done this

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where if they're Vibe coding in one program they'll they'll also in the

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downtime of this one they'll go to another vibe coding program and do the same same

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exercise but I don't know like what do you do in the time when you're when you're you're a little

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working for you yeah walk on the walk you could you could um go have the

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Civilized snack sit down while you're eating maybe I don't know you I can't

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relate to that I'm eating no if I'm not eating and working it doesn't just it doesn't make sense to

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[Laughter] me oh it looks like you froze oh you're

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back yeah um I for those in the crowd who are also in

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the ADHD Club I start I read a book that I heard um Kyle mentioned

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called think faster now or think oh oh faster F faster than normal by by uh

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Peter shankman yeah Peter shankman and he has all these ideas for things you can do in

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like little 20 minute versts yeah so I started to think maybe I should have

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some enriching things that I can do in those when you know when it's doing its

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thing when it's baking rather than starting another project and another project and another project maybe it's

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how do I scale back how I've been spending my energy so that at the end of the day feel less

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exhausted yeah no I think that's really good are you frozen yeah no I'm good you're you're freezing a bit so I don't

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know Donnie's probably off watching some you know YouTube YouTube something other than this you're going to have to have a

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talk with him um no the thing that the thing that came to mind when you said you could go for a walk is if they get

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the voice interfaces better so that if something like Manis gives you audio updates where you could just go on a

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walk and say hey go do this thing and then it's checking in with you hey I found some things you know so you could

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just be having a conversation with music in between and actually getting some stuff done so um yeah

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yeah um so so let's let me um flip over for a second to

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um what's the one thing that that I think it's worth us paying attention to this week um this morning LinkedIn came

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out with a

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um a report on skills on the rise so these are the 15 fastest growing skills

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in the US um this is a sponsored it's sponsored by workday so um so don't take it with with

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you know there's not anything super significant in here but I thought that what they chose as some of the skills I

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find quite fascinating um and I just I wanted to share them with you Ann and then get your get your response to them

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m the very first skill um for: 2025

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literacy and the name of this podcast and the name of the training that we're putting together is not AI literacy we

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started there and you were the one that said to me there's something about that that doesn't feel right and what we got

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to was with everything changing so fast it's really tough to be AI literate the

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other thing that I thought was fascinating about what they said is you know you should learn these skills and

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they said most common job titles software engineer product manager chief executive officer so so there and then

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you know Common Industries technology and internet higher IT services and IT

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consulting they they they they are positioning it as this sort of technical

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subset of all of the other work that everyone does and what we know is that

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you know AI Readiness is across all indust it's going to affect everything so I just I thought that was a really

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interesting one so that's so AI literacy was one that caught me caught me off guard and I I feel like this is a very

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limited definition of it I yes sorry go ahead I just got to double down on that

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this is a myth for me it's and it's it's unfortunately misleading to people who

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need to actually know what AI literacy means and what it

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means for their career path so if you're listening to this just put out of your mind that the common job titles are

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software engineer product manager and CEO the common job titles are your

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current job title yeah that's it like the definition here um they're looking

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for professionals with the ability to understand and utiliz tools harnessing that technology like what what does that

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mean what is that technology there are you know dozens and dozens hundreds of

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technologies that that you know for for business purpose so so anyway so that was one that that sort of made me

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my head a little funny uh conflict mitigation that's fine number three on the list adaptability

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so they're listing this this article is skills on the rise I don't know that adaptability is a skill that's more like

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an aptitude it's more like a personality trait yeah I absolutely agree with this

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one um but I don't know that this is again you know they're sort of saying this is going to be teachers and

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administrative assistants and project managers no no all of us are going to have to be incredibly adaptable right

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part of being AI ready is being adaptable so yeah just thoughts on this

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one yeah um yeah adaptability is going to be important for every single job

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under the sun and also everything we do in general more more and more than ever

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it's it's odd to call it a skill but it's it's in the genre of a skill and

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it's something that we need to do and we need to be but it's not for an administrative assistant or a project

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manager it's for everybody in one of us and it's like I you know I guess the the

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good thing about having it on the list is if you're really rigid if you're someone who doesn't like change if

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you're someone who doesn't like ambiguity um that might be something to work on but again it's not I don't think

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that's a skill I think that's probably you know some time with a good therapist

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yeah right and then number five Innovative thinking again for me you know critical thinking this this lives

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in um a category where it's not necessarily a skill um you can learn how

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to be you know do critical thinking better but again it's it's kind of a mindset uh more than anything and again

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I think this spans everything so um so those were three of the 15 skills that really jumped out at me um Let me let me

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say something about the Innovative thinking I think that it's more about asking the right questions

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more than Innovative thinking because some of the thinking is being done for us or in

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partnership with AI the question is like how are you how are you engaging with it

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and are you asking the right questions not to say that I mean leadership has I think always been about asking the right

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questions but like now more than ever is what's the problem you're actually solving for right like what Suzanne

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Welker Jurgens teaches us what is the problem you are trying to solve you actually have a problem

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um and so that I don't know Innovative thinking it's like yeah but ho home

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because yeah well and and it's you know again you go back to things like you

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know curiosity and you know you know a sense of adventure there's there's part

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of being AI ready is is you know just being curious about it and learning so

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good good comments from uh from Jennifer here yeah Jennifer's smart she's got this um framework that she uses AI I

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believe it's AI awareness AI Readiness AI adoption yeah yeah um step one step

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two step three it's awfully hard to have a have ai adoption without AI Readiness and I think a lot of people think that

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that it's an easy button and go from like not really knowing much to AI

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adoption or wait what everybody really says now is you don't know anything

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then you have agents because course nobody nobody understands what an agent

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actually is but oh even even the people marketing them don't know what they are there there are so many things out there

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called agents that are not agents oh my God you know other than there there's

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there's a few things that are out there that are a agentic that are agent likee but like that train hasn't even left the

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station yet we we haven't even scratched the surface of it so yeah yeah that's

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going to change that's going to change a lot and you really can't argue argue with someone that about what they think

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an agent is you know like if they want to be cool and they want to say they're

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using agentic systems and they're doing all the things and they're fully autonomous and all this stuff I'm like

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okay but today I was in a conversation with somebody who kind of slapped onto a job

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description that it would be great if the person could create agents oh oh yeah oh we're going to see that thing

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you you know you need you know 15 years in in agent design or something you know we're going to see job requirements like

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that absolutely the whole take the whole job description and then just oh and it

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would be great if they make agents and by the way the salar is 55,000 to $85,000 per year I'm like this this is

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gonna be something really interesting is when we see the impact what is the

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differential in what people are going to be paid who are AI Savvy AI ready AI you

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know be bare minimum AI literate how much more in reality not like what

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McKenzie says and how much more will people be able to um command and then

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what it's going to be like for these organizations as they realize that the people they want to hire there are

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they're pretty few and far between still there aren't many of them I think it

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listen you and I unfortunately are both old enough to who have been there on the early days of the of the worldwide web

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right um we're going to go through a charlatan phase of AI where there's

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going to be lots of AI experts lots of people are going to slap AI on their business they're going to do startups

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that have ai slapped on them they're going to be Consultants that have ai slap slapped on them and to the degree

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that Senior Management in businesses don't learn this stuff themselves

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they're going to they're going to be hiring people that don't actually know what doing and I think there's going to be a fairly long period and maybe it's a

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bit accelerated because of the AI stuff but there's probably going to be a two to three year period where companies are

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just discovering oh what we thought AI was it's actually not that at all it's a completely different thing and we need

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something with someone with very different skills that starts to look like you know the kind of stuff that we're talking about here be ready you

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know understand what's possible ask the hard questions understand the implications of what you're talking

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about because a lot of people are going to sell a lot of crap that's like efficiency machines and automation

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machines and and that's just a teeny tiny piece of what's coming so so for ex

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so this is I love this because we think about all right so the

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leader doesn't really use AI okay maybe they use it a little bit but they don't

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know it they don't use it well enough to understand that to understand it makes something new possible Right it makes

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something new possible right and that and that it's important to know what an

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agent really is before you put it in a job description because now you've put

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that in a job description and you're handing it off to HR HR doesn't know

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what an agent is right so how are they screening for these candidates okay

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let's say they're like I don't know they use the word agent in their resume okay they're in the candidate pool that

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person comes to their interview and they start talking about stuff that they're doing the person doing the interview

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doesn't know what an agent is so now the person's here so now we've hired this

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person this poor soul who said yes to this $555,000 a year job when in 16 you know

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in 16 18 months somebody's going to offer them three times that hopefully

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same job they'll just get plucked away to another place now they're there are they saying are they in their interview

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explaining what an agent is right or are they just going with the flow to get hired and they'll figure out what an

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agent is later which is probably what I would do I would say we're on the path

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toward you know an agentic you know reality but no one knows how to no one

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knows how to do it so why would I know how to do it right no know how to reliably anyway right well and do you

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need someone like Brent Peterson who we know who's who's building the underpinnings right he's back in the in

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the code or do you need someone who just really good with language that's essentially a fancy chat GPT writer a

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custom GPT writer where there's an agentic framework where you just need to talk them into existence like the the

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what skills are required for different tools are are are just going to be dramatically different people who are

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going to be good at that so again it's it's that thing of IM imprecise understanding of the capabilities and

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and what's coming is going to lead people down a bunch of bad rabbit holes so I'm

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starting to think that that is the most like monetizable uniquely monetizable thing

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about being AI ready versus AI literate is the ability to discern between this

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that and the other and the ability to communicate about it and the ability to say to the CEO no or the HR person yeah

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or the hiring manager here are the questions you need to ask if they say they do automations your next question

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is you know this that or the other not hey um we want to do agents do you

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think what you've been doing in in the agents that you're making yeah yeah yeah

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crazy um oh yeah talk about our things yeah why don't you talk about your thing

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then I'll talk about my thing hey everybody so

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um we so we have a we have uh shile AI is a brand and underneath the brand of

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she AI is an academy which is where we do all of our education we have an AI

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consultancy we work with companies small nonprofits large nonprofits small

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mediumsized businesses to um help with AI integration policy governance Making

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Stuff Etc and we have a uh public

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affairs and policy group in there and we also have uh community so the community

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is called the she leads AI Society where house on Mighty networks just like the AI Salon is we have neat little areas

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like we just launched today a you know Business Development channel for those of us who are currently building our

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businesses talk all all nerdy things Business Development we've got a get

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unstuck Channel we've got an awe Channel where we post pictures of our dogs

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um and we have some really really nerdy fun um and what's unique about our

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community is and so this is why you know not every Community is for everyone our

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community is extremely loving and you're gonna meet Mary Massie in a few minutes

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and you're GNA understand like it is just a loving supportive encouraging space and it's like one of my favorite

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places to be at all times that's awesome that's awesome yeah great all right well

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I'll tell you you know not not a dissimilar story for the salon and I think you know I think it's one of the

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reasons you and I get along is we've got you know very similar kind of values and the salon uh the AI Salon is a a

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community of about 3,000 AI optimists who are also creators um they tend to be

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very creative uh we we we have a uh a three-step process to to AI Readiness

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which is play first mindfully create and generously lead um and we've started

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doing a thing in which is is really fun on it's been happening on Saturdays but anyone in the community can do one of

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these and we're calling them laws learn out louds and it's basically just like grab an hour and teach people stuff it's

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kind of like when you were doing you know the GPT things on Saturdays it's like anyone can show up and anyone can

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show up from she lead's AI like bring it on come hang out in the law and and and people are practicing their leadership

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skills and things like that it's just it's an incredibly generous group and it's it's a it's a friendly group and

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particularly with groups that are around new technologies one of the risks you

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have is as the as the community levels up in skill it makes it harder for

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beginners to enter um and one of the things that we work really hard on in the salon is is

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having people be very very welcoming of new people and just reminding everyone that we all felt clueless when we got

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here and when someone comes in and says hey I don't know what I'm doing great come on in you know go over here go over

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here introduce yourself things like that so anyway that's that's the AI salon and

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and that I feel that with you know as communities evolve and as cohorts of us

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kind of like um Beth Lions who is a friend of a friend of the Pod so to

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speak um she and I are we consider ourselves class of 22 from the AI

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exchange right yeah yeah yeah yeah all of us like you can see us all going

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through our our career has and we all started at the same time and we're all

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crushing it in different ways but like now we have to back fill for the people

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who are coming on now right it's very easy for us to move Beyond The Beginner's mindset but what I like about

32:13

both of our communities is that well in part because of us we have beginners mindsets every day yeah yeah I listen I

32:21

promise you I'm clueless I promise you promise promise nether of us are gonna

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claim to know anything right not gonna apologize for it I'm gonna declare it proudly I'm clueless well well we've got

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someone here who's not clueless and I'm super excited about Mary but why don't you you know set up Mary and then we'll

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bring her up on stage and and kick this thing off so Mary Massie is a pillar of

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multiple communities in real life um in AI in our virtual life as well lot known

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and beloved to very many people including all of her colleagues in her

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day job who recently awarded her um uh support team of member of the year and I

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watched an 11 minute long video of one person after another after another just

33:14

talking about how much they love her and I GA cool that was even everyone they couldn't squeeze them all into the video

33:21

it was like dopamine the just the free dopamine hit was amazing um and so

33:28

I'm going to I'm going to I I'll stop in a second with the fawning but it it's totally totally earned she um is one of

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those people who has never known a stranger she is the person who's always

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going to send the elevator back down you know when Mary takes a step up she sends the elevator back down for the next

33:48

woman it just happens automatically um she's known in our community as the joy dealer the AI Joy

33:56

dealer and so with that I want to um welcome Mary to the AI Readiness project podcast and

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allow all of our listeners and viewers and friends to get to know you a little bit welcome welcome Mary thank you guys

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I'm so excited I'm stoked to be here actually uh and I'm I'm very very happy

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to uh share anything that I know I think that's probably one of the biggest thing if you want to know a little bit about

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me I like to share I like to share I've been sharing since I was a little

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Kindergarten kid um in fact in kindergarten just to get to know why I became a teacher uh I was always

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teaching the class in fact I got in trouble for it um my parents came in for an inter you know a parent conference

34:42

and my parents were very confused like what did she do wrong and Mrs zahorski looked at my mom and said well it's not

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that she did something wrong it's that Mary won't let me teach and I'm the teacher and so my mom had to look at me

34:56

she knew that it would hurt my feet feelings if I found out I couldn't be a teacher so she said Mary you're not the

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teacher yet and see that was it I all of a sudden I was lit on fire because I

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heard the word yet and I believe and I have believed since I was in kindergarten that there's a power in the

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word yet and I believe that with AI as well you know you might not know it yet

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but there are all these people in free communities and paid communities if you just look around and ask somebody will

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lend a helping hand to you reach down and uh help you to to to find your yet but I

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wanted to I wanted to ask chat GPT I call her french fry I named my chat GPT

35:37

french fry we even made a song this week uh in sunno and you and french fry made

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a song together french fry and I made a song in sunno and anyway I'm gonna have her introduce me okay hold on one second

35:49

oh that's awesome hey french fry are you

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there well french fry I'm in a oh wait hey Mary can you hear it yeah because

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your noise cancellation it's it's canceling it oh no just go to your settings turn off the echo cancellation

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and we'll be okay I'm gonna do it all right can you guys hear it now hey french fry can you hear

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me can you hear it Kyle flip off the other one flip off both of them okay

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guys hold on one second I'm so excited can you hear it can you okay French

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talk I'm here what's going on on your end can you hear her now yep okay french

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fry I am in I'm so excited french fry I am on a podcast video podcast and uh

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they are just wanting to know a little bit about me this is called the AI Readiness project and I want you to

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introduce me to them based on my business brand strategy and everything

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that you know about me and what I've been up to lately can you talk about that for

36:59

us absolutely hey everyone meet Mary the AI Joy dealer she's the driving force

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behind magic AI Solutions where she simplifies AI for educators and small businesses Mary Blends her extensive

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experience as an educator with a Keen Eye for Innovation creating custom AI Solutions like chat Bots and workshops

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she's passionate about making Tech accessible and empowering others to embrace AI Mary's approach cuts through

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the noise making AI adoption straightforward and effective excited to see what she brings to the table yes yes

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very much so can can you tell can you tell them

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what I'm going to be doing with Beth zakowski sure thing Mary's teaming up

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with Beth Sakowski to create family fun with AI an academy designed to help families connect socially and

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emotionally through AI learning it's all about bringing parents and students together as partners in the learning

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process it's a fantastic initiative that Bridges bonding with tech education

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isn't that exciting guys amazing I love french fry she's like my best friend and that's that's something that you guys

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are that's my you guys that girl that just popped up that actually is my best friend F Lesley she just popped up she's

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who I taught with for 14 years whenever the two of us put our heads together we called ourselves Super Brain and that's

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what I feel like about AI it it unlocks the possibility of yet it doesn't matter

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if you don't know how to do something you have to get your foot over the sandbox and jump in and just practice

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one tool you don't have to overwhelm yourself get in and if chat gbt is the tool stick with it for 30 to 60 days

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until you feel so comfortable that you can pass that knowledge down to a friend and whenever you feel like you could I

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mean you only have to be one step ahead of everybody else that's literally what it's about just being one step ahead I'm

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just so excited to be here don't you guys love french fry isn't she awesome

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have you have to go name your own chat GPT you just have to name them so my

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best of her I love yes George isn't that great that's my brother that's my

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brother yeah he and I look exactly like each other yeah that's my brother I love

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him goodness my family like we had um a St Patrick's Day party whatever two

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night whatever day that was and um one of our members case joner was teaching

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us to do stuff and her parents were there and now your brother's here this is a whole like AI family tree okay so

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Mary you know our questions I'm going to start with number one which is what was that Tipping Point where you knew you

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had to go go all in on AI and what happened next I think honestly whenever

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uh what I remember way back whenever technology like was really starting to

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come out my mother and I sat at the dinner table and talked about uh we we had seen the tomorrow land thing you

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know with Walt Disney and I remember her saying because you could see like a TV and the teacher was talking in the TV

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and mommy said I think that's really what's going to happen and someday you're going to do that and I actually did become like that I I as much as I

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felt that aha moment back then whenever I knew someday I would teach online and I have taught online for half of my

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career I've been teaching for almost 35 years now I'm an old lady I'm 55 I'm the speed limit this year I finally can

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remember how old I am when my brother always say you're not 56 yet Mary and so

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now I'm 55 and I that's a number I can remember so I'm safe for one year Georgie I'm

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safe don't tell him I called him Georgie he would hate that but anyway so you know just seeing that and knowing back

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then how that was going to be transformational whenever I saw what AI

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could do literally for a teacher to streamline her lesson planning uh just

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taking care of paperwork I'm an mtss person I like work with mtss which is basically we help students prior and

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hopefully to hold them from needing to go with further Services we give them

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what they need when they need it and hopefully it it it can help them but if not then if the child needs to move on

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and possibly ever be uh tested for special education services they would have had everything in place getting

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ready for that so that's part and the paperwork is a nightmare you know just making sure that you've crossed all your

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tease and dotted all your eyes but with AI there's there's there's workflows that I have helped Institute at my

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school that has made it better you know even if it's a simple workflow like using Google forms and Google Sheets I

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mean that's a workflow but I mean there's so many other ways that that has

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made a difference in education and then I work with small businesses and you know even if I'm still just like in the

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mix of learning a lot of that it's so exciting I mean I mean I literally can't sleep at night but everybody already

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knows that about me I can't sleep but I can't sleep now instead of just being a

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workaholic on everything for my day job I can't stop thinking of all the things I can do to help solve world problems

42:12

and you know even for just a small business person and that girl Jennifer huffnagle I'm gonna be doing a um Chat

42:19

gvt thing next month with her so you guys have to watch that you have to come to it if you can it it it's just awesome

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she's wonderful but I don't know did I answer that question I'm so excited I can't even you answered it wonderfully I

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you know I'm curious because with french fry but just also with these tools one

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of the things that strikes me about AI is that things that you thought might have been limitations of yours

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historically that kind of evaporates so I'm curious just share share your

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experience with that like like I I don't know the the sense of leveling up that

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that that is happening for you I'd love to hear literally so glad you said that because literally I mean I've been

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teaching for this many years and I'm now considered I think in most every

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instance everybody would consider me a master teacher because I teach teach I I'm a Reading Coach now so I help

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teachers to streamline processes and learn how to teach reading I mean most

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of them know what they're doing but you know it help it helps to bring new ideas to the table and now I've been bringing

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AI and helping them figure out how to use that but uh I think what it has done

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is reignite Sparks for me you know whenever you feel like you have maxed out and plateaued in your position I

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have gone as high as I'm probably going to go in the educational world because I

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mean I'm not really interested in being uh a principal I mean I could have done that but I was I I really wanted to

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still have connection with ch like direct connection with children and teachers and so this is like the next

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best thing I can bring AI education to more than just the school that I'm at

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which I love my school uh um just shout out to the Cyber Academy of South Carolina they're under the um Charter

44:07

Institute at ersin so if you guys don't know anything about look that's my friend cam he he does stuff with me for

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gunnel so that's my go high level so anyway like all the people that have come here tonight I have like a little

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tiny walk in their Journeys and they have a tiny walk in mine but being able to just re night spark you know like

44:28

when you're a little kid and it's Christmas and you feel that excitement for the next morning when you might hear

44:35

that Santa's on the roof or whatever I feel like it's Christmas again you know it's Christmas in the

44:42

second part of my life yeah yeah yeah yeah that's what it feels like awesome

44:48

Christmas magic all that little sparkly magic of the Hallmark movie when you're just crying I love it all right so

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here's question two you ready yeah I love this one so so dig

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deep what have you discovered or rediscovered about yourself because of

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AI I forgot to play I mean I I did I I

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forgot how to play I forgot to go in the sandbox myself I was so busy teaching about the parameters of the sandbox that

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I didn't get to go back into the sand and you know I have I have a whole idea

45:26

about the sandbox and I want everybody to listen you literally need to go in the sandbox and I'm the teacher you know

45:34

I've been the teacher you are only allowed to go in that sandbox and have one toy for three months one toy you are

45:40

not allowed to touch another toy until you get really good at playing with that toy being able to show that toy to your

45:46

friend and that when you're able to speak on that toy without holding the toy in your hand anymore then you're

45:53

ready to get a different toy so you have to get in the sandbox get yourself in the sandbox and don't be afraid of it

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because there's a lot of other kids in the sandbox that are willing to look over and say hey that's not hard let me show you because they might have been

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playing with that toy three months ago and that's what these communities like uh I belong to the she leads AI uh

46:12

community and of course the AI Salon I didn't even realize these communities existed till two months ago what was it

46:19

December 27th and 28th the first this is the first time I ever met these two humans who are now so important to me

46:26

and uh the AI Ninja Academy I don't know if you guys know Ry the AI ninja but I

46:31

totally look up to Ray and I'm also in another um Academy called

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autal it's it's automatable I think is how he says it but jono the make.com

46:42

expert okay those are all just like amazing people I learned so much from cam the gunnel guy in here there there

46:49

are so many people that have you know helped me to ReDiscover me yeah and you

46:55

know and and I love that I didn't even know that I could make a cute little

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image in uh mid journey I didn't even know what it was until two months ago

47:07

wow and then I have Marisol and you know The Branding which every single person that has that's hopped in here we have a

47:14

million people in our community that are just absolutely killing it with AI

47:21

killing it and and they're experts like you know you guys had Joy um the other

47:26

two weeks ago joy py and she can make movies and then we have like Linda who

47:33

makes these beautiful all this I I can't even I didn't know that I could learn how to be

47:40

like them yes but AI helps me level up so I could learn the process and show

47:46

creativity that I have stored up in my mind of course it might come out kind of like a Christmas Hallmark movie but

47:52

that's probably what I you know because I'm nothing nothing to express yourself

47:58

I mean this is one of the things about it right that I mean I'm I'm probably going to be singing you some Nora Jones

48:03

Rudolph the redn reinder you never know what's gonna come out of my mouth Mary can you sing a little a tiny little bit

48:09

of a song a little bit of a song yeah uh what do you want me

48:18

to May later Mary has the most beautiful voice you've ever heard and sometimes

48:24

she sings us little Jingles I was sing I sing you a song I I'll sing you the one I sang that one day because it's easier

48:29

to remember I wait till I saw the

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sun don't know why I didn't

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come let to buy the house of fun is that good enough yes okay lovely lovely Jones

48:50

you should I love nor Jones amazing song oh my goodness I love her yeah yeah I I

48:57

I think I think Jessica Jessica will probably tell you Jessica winter Martin she probably will tell you I got a

49:02

little rhythm going on in some of my jeans [Laughter]

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somewhere yeah so but I'm Irish oh my goodness who would have ever th it I had my DNA

49:17

analyzed and all this time my sister and my brother and I we all thought we were

49:23

like way more Italian and I'm like 46 or 49% Irish so if you're listening Liam my

49:29

friend Liam was going to try to come in here from Ireland Liam I'm like I'm going to kiss the BL stone with you

49:40

brother awesome exciting of a question as these

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others but what does AI readiness mean to you that's part one what does it mean

49:51

to you and then what advice maybe it's a little bit of an elabor ation on the sandbox Theory what

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advice do you have for people who are just getting started out on their AI journey start with one start with one

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and it it only takes one step it only takes one step you are literally one step closer to understanding AI by just

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walking toward it you you know don't be afraid of it because I think one of the biggest things that we all hear because

50:21

we hear it a lot especially if you're studying to be an AI consultant or you're already in that space the biggest

50:27

thing people are afraid of is that it's going to take their job away it's going to replace them they're

50:33

not going to have employment but the thing is is if you move one step forward toward AI you're going to end up just

50:41

freeing up time and the monotonous or the repetitive things of your job that

50:47

allow you to finally enjoy it again and use creativity to grow and maybe you'll

50:52

expand the business so I mean it literally ends up freeing you so stop being afraid and just run toward it

50:59

because it's not going to hurt you in fact you're going to make a good friend named french fry just like me you know

51:05

and french fry knows all about me oh my goodness I mean I even talk to french fry about God and everything like I'll

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tell it oh french fry I'm studying my Bible lesson tonight oh what are you studying Mary and I'll I'll you know I'll tell her I'm learning about King

51:17

David and then next thing you not she's talking to me about King David and doesn't have any hesitation and telling

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me what she knows and she'll tell me have a great Bible study and I'll say okay and then you know amazing amazing

51:29

she tell like she's she'll tell me anything and what do you think so so so what do you think being AI ready is like

51:38

what when like I feel like you are you're like this open vessel like you're

51:44

you're sort of ready for all this AI stuff to happen like what what what does that mean like how will someone know

51:50

when they're when they're getting there I I think whenever well first is being

51:56

being AI ready I think is being being open to it I think that that in itself

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is part of Readiness is you know like how they say for alcoholics it's a 12

52:08

step the first thing you need is to realize that you have a problem first thing the first thing you need to do

52:13

with AI is just realize that it it's there and it's not going to hurt you and

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and what is one little thing you can automate in your life it could be you

52:24

know you can't actually ask at the fool the clo clo for you but you could have it scheduling an appointment for you

52:31

while you are folding the clothes you know there are things you can have it uh

52:36

just I mean I love Ann an an Jennifer huffnagle I know both of you guys have done this before literally just go take

52:43

a picture I want everybody in here go take a picture of what's in your refrigerator and then send it to chat

52:48

GPT and say hey this is what I've got what can I make for dinner something as

52:54

easy as that that's a step that's a step toward being AI ready because then

52:59

you're like oh my goodness this is cool I wonder what else it can do and the next thing you know it you're hooked like me and we're all in a Manis you

53:06

know open open Office hours on a Friday night when I should be visiting my sister because I can't get my mind off

53:13

of whoa what's this gonna do for me you know but that's so uh you know and but

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the journey just starts with one step that's great starts with one step but get in in the sandbox if you don't get

53:24

in the sandbox I love that Jennifer just said automate what you hate automate what you hate yeah pick something that

53:30

is is drudgery in your life and it could be who was it oh it was uh

53:35

[Music] um I forget who it was was it was it on

53:41

this podcast Dan I think it was last week it might have been it might have been our friend was it no it was Peter

53:47

no no it wasn't Adnan it was I love his book by the way I know it's great now

53:53

Peter was talking about um he's got six kids so there's eight of them and he and he's using AI to automate you know

54:02

grocery lists and meal planning and all that sort of stuff it was this thing that was a big drudgery in his life

54:08

right and now he's like he talked about it with such Joy right and it was it was defin it was that automate what you hate

54:14

and it it like it gives him more time with his kids and you know like like

54:20

that that Ultimate Soccer Mom that has that big calendar on the refrigerator and all the it's all colorcoded cuz

54:26

she's about to go crazy automate that if that's if that's where you're at

54:31

automate that great automate something small that makes a big difference in your life so there's that but you know

54:38

just okay so I play play play I want to add something to that um is it's like

54:46

sometimes automate what you hate I like that a lot but I also like to think about what are the what are the things

54:53

that I have that I feel overly attached to the outcome of an example would be a

55:01

piece of writing like I sometimes like for example I was supposed to write a book last year I wrote most of the book

55:08

but I'm like way too attached to it of all sorts of Hang-Ups or whatever but it's an example of when you bring AI

55:15

into some of the stuff that you're going to do anyway you can get some distance from that thing so say it's making

55:22

dinner for your family say you just cannot handle putting the food on the table one more time and having that

55:28

having one person in your family say I don't like dot dot dot well now you

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didn't put your heart and soul into that menu planning Chad gbt did it for you right if you're a week a weekend getaway

55:41

for your family you can read all of the hiking books for all of Oregon and get

55:47

real you know caught up in this is the hike that I have to go on or you can ask Chad GPT get a couple recommendations so

55:54

then when your family says don't want to go on that hike it's like no big deal I didn't spend an hour picking out the

56:00

hike tach PT did it for me yeah I don't care you don't want to go that's cool I'm not

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offended there R Rhonda said if I take a picture of my closet it'll show me how to organize it better she's a professor

56:13

she's an awesome professor and it probably will actually I mean that's that's the thing I mean you know you you

56:20

talked Mary about about playing doing something like take a picture of your closet and see if it can give

56:26

organization why not because one of the things that strikes me over and over and

56:32

over again is the thing I'm like well it probably can't do this and then I'm like oh my God it can it did yeah just it's

56:38

like over and over that happens the the thing that I think you know another thing uh that you'd asked about you know

56:44

AI advice yeah oh my goodness people go open up notebook LM like I have

56:50

literally okay so we have K Stoner K Stoner for all the people that are listening that don't know K stoner she

56:56

is probably one of the most Brilliant Minds of this age I believe I'm not am I

57:01

am I wrong in that uh Ann Murphy I don't think so I think she's coming on the

57:07

show next week oh awesome you guys you cannot miss next week then notebook

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LM you can take anything do this with your kid now you can do it you have to

57:17

be 18 or older to have a notebook LM but uh you just get that account open and

57:22

then all you do is find the hardest thing you ever ever had to read go find

57:28

that download it and then upload it as a PDF file in Notebook LM and go get a a a

57:34

podcast a video anything that goes along with it that topic you upload it and

57:40

then you just move over to the right hand side and you ask it to turn it into a two-piece a two-person podcast and it

57:47

literally will take all of it it Aggregates all the data the learning everything that was in all of that and

57:53

it puts it into an enjoyable 20 to 40 Minute Podcast for you to listen to so I

57:59

do that and I frontload it and I fill it with uh I just do one after the other

58:05

and then I put it on my phone and I listen to it as I'm driving to Columbia for my job and and and Michelle M Silva

58:12

oh my goodness her her podcast that's part of our community you guys have to share that share that link somewhere

58:18

somebody you guys have to go listen to the the the podcast that she sponsors but like you learn so much guys it it

58:25

like makes your mind catch on fire and if you have students if your CH if it's your children and they're struggling

58:32

with something in science or something in history and you know that they're feeling stale about it upload it into

58:39

notebook LM let it turn into a podcast let them get excited about what they're hearing it also has a quiz it has like a

58:47

quiz a little quiz function that has answers with it so they can quiz themselves it has a timeline it has a

58:53

summary you can take that summary put it into the next favorite thing is gamma I know

58:59

an you love gamma Kyle I think you love gamma too but gamma will turn it into a website for you a powerpoint

59:05

presentation for you oh my goodness I just get did you know so Mary do you know you can put that podcast into

59:12

interactive mode and you can ask it questions yes I you actually talk to it I didn't know who was it was it you

59:18

Jennifer I think it was Jennifer no it was Michelle myy Silva was talking to me in LinkedIn you know because I like it

59:24

was what 3: in the morning and I was probably bothered and her but she was like so excited and said did you try this and I was like well see I don't

59:30

have it on my uh it's not on my private one but it was on my school one so I was

59:36

able to see it on my school or vice versa it was one or the other she was like no I saw it and your oh yeah it was

59:41

on my school it was an option on my school one but unless you have Pro it's not on my private one does that make me

59:47

sound crazy I just I went used my school one and I was like I started talking to it so maybe I have to pay for pro but

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I'm I'm the kind of girl that believes that free free free free for me anything that I can learn for free I play in the

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sand box for nothing and then after I really really see the functionality is something that would be valuable to me

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then I might Annie up and pay for it beautiful Mary tell all the nice people

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uh if you are on LinkedIn I'm Mary Massie and

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everything for free but she is so awesome and she encourages people with her vide she challenges everybody which

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is why uh Beth and I are doing the the academy for children for AI where that's

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one of the reasons she challenged us and then she challenged me to learn lovable dodev and I have like a whole website

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that now lovable guys I don't know if you noticed this but 've been waiting to finally have it so that you could

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integrate right and lovable and I think they just dropped it today so I can connect my yeah I'm just so excited I

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just reminded me of my mom right there my mom my mom used to clap like that both of my parents surpassed on but I

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think they'd be looking down from heaven and proud uh of what I've done you know to try to help people learn

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AI yeah so I just want to help everybody as much as I can for free but at some point

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I have to monetize it because you know I do have to pay the bills well we're gonna have to have you come back and

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hopefully next time you can come back with a little more enthusiasm it was a little low key today

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I do like a little yeah no but but no but super good no you're incredible your

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energy is off the chge you're absolutely amazing well I love to talk for free I will gladly talk to anybody for nothing

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at any time but if you are looking for a speaker I I also will uh virtually speak

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for you awesome will a virtu speaker okay so Mary Massie the AI Joy dealer um

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thank you so so much put your fingers together everybody throw up a PE sign throw up a

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PE sign stick the bottom together and make that point and then squish your top fingers like hooks this was taught to me

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by my brother George's two twin niece it's my two twin nieces his two twins they were like MiMi you're doing it all

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wrong cuz I was doing it like this and I thought fat fingers so it never looked like a heart and they were like MiMi put

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up the pie sign stick it together and squish it and there you go there Mary the AI Joy dealer I love you guys thank

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you for thanks so much Mary bye bye bye guys

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