The AI Readiness Project with Hunter Lee Canning: AI, Authenticity, and the Art of Showing Up
Join us for a rich and refreshingly real conversation with Hunter Lee Canning, Chief Creative Officer of Plumwheel—the “production studio that fits in your pocket.” From Broadway stages to browser tabs, Hunter blends storytelling, visual creativity, and technical playfulness to explore one of today’s biggest questions: Can AI help us show up more fully, or does it risk erasing what’s real?
In this episode of The AI Readiness Project, we dive into the evolving tension between automation and authenticity—touching on avatars, ethical overwhelm, creator burnout, and the awkward-but-liberating journey of clicking “record” without a script. Hunter shares how Plumwheel makes powerful video content in everyday spaces—cars, kitchens, couches—by putting connection first, not perfection.
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Hunter Lee Canning is a trained actor, photographer, and the creative force behind Plumwheel, a virtual-first production studio helping real people tell real stories. Whether he's interviewing global leaders, coaching creators through content blocks, or organizing the perfect shot from a minivan dashboard, Hunter leads with empathy, humor, and the belief that authenticity scales—if you let it.
This episode is a must for marketers, nonprofit leaders, educators, and creative professionals who want to stay true to their voice while embracing the future of AI-powered storytelling.
Transcript
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[Music] forget trying to keep up with AI it's moving too fast it's time to think
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differently about it welcome to the AI readiness project hosted by Kyle Shamim and Anne Murphy they're here to help you
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build the mindset to thrive in an AIdriven world and prepare for what's next
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[Music] and Murphy Kyle Shannon how you doing we
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made it you just you just went red something just went went red on your camera i just turned pink all of a
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sudden let's see what happens so here's the thing about AI you guys is that you can know the fanciest AI things in the
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world and still not be able to press buttons properly no this is as good
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as there that one oh no the one before it that one no okay now I'm going to
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turn it up everybody here we go this is as good as we're going to get it's a purplish but you
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know what everybody this is fine um I should say as a preamble I am on a lot of pain medic a lot of cold medication
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right now that I have counteracted by drinking an insane amount of caffeine so
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I do not know what's going to come out of my mouth well that's but that that is part of the charm of the show i think
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that is that is the charm of not knowing what's going to come out of our mouths because we don't plan anything you guys
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nothing we don't and I'm I'm particularly excited about our guest because Hunter is an absolute blast and
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I think we you know the we'll we'll be vibe talking we'll be so there's vibe
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coding
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oh my god we're vibe podcast it's like we're talking but we're just kind of talking
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about talking really it's not really We're not really doing it we're just
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approximating it yeah exactly based on how we feel in the moment exactly well
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so so let's jump in let's um let's talk
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about AI AI readiness how where where's your head these days i
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know it's it's medicated it's medicated but but like
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how what's the stuff you you had a big event last weekend a bunch of girlies
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talking about AI you've had a week to deal with clients to deal with a cult where where are you how's how's your AI
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readiness so I think it's up at a point that we've
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all hit at different levels at different points in our lives with different like endeavors where at first you think I
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have to know how it works because that's how I'm going to use it right i need to know the rules i need to know the
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parameters because once I learn the rules then I can do all the things and I can be the best at it and now I'm at the
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phase where I'm like I need to know most of those things i need to feel pretty
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you know comfortable and I need to be able to trust my instincts but truly only because I need to know which of
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those rules or strategies or tools or whatever I'm going to ignore and do it
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my own way yeah with impunity without asking for anyone's you know uh
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permission or affirmation i don't need to show off and tell you all the things
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I know about AI what I need to share with you is what you need to know right now which is probably me being the fifth
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grader to the fourth graders not me trying to be the person with a PhD
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talking to preschoolers yeah that's fascinating i where my head's been this week
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is the tools are getting so good that I almost feel like it doesn't
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matter what tool you use it doesn't matter what prompt you put in or if you know how to prompt right like there was
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a lot of talk about that what what's been striking me in the past
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week or so is it's much more important to have a
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point of view yes it's much more important important to just
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to just have an intention right to just just have an intention and then assume
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that whatever tool you use is going to be some version of usable in whatever that intention is and and the result of
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it for me and I'm curious like where your head is with this stuff is I'm finding myself completely
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forgetting about entire categories of tools like I'm in a couple of creative partner programs and what I find is I'll
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like dive into chat GPT and play with the reasoning models and then or the image generation model in there and then
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I completely forget about the video generation models or the the song things and it and and there's a part of me
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that's like oh no I've got to get back and use those but then there's a part of me like no I actually don't need those
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right now the the only thing I need is what I need right now yes and I'll just assume that at some point when I check
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back into those tools I'll figure out how to use them they'll be good enough to give me some version of what I need
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so I like I'm I'm having this weird disconnect with with all of the stuff
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because I'm just more focused on and I guess that I guess that feels like an evolution to me but part of that's
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because the tools are just getting so good they're crazy
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i think it's I think it's like a confluence of a couple of things one is the tools are so good that you know we
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need referee journal articles to be able to to tell the difference between them these are not for the average bear the
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differences between this thing and that thing is a moot point so like talk about
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it from an academic perspective but it really is only academic because in reality it just doesn't matter for the
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work that most of us mere mortals are doing if it's this much faster or this much whatever right so I think we've got
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that that the tools are have gotten so good and then I also think at least I'll speak for myself there's a level of
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reaching a point in just my own like maturity and um like self-awareness that
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I know that what I'm bringing to the table plus whatever tool is open right
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now is is going to be great i I'm not trying to I'm not trying to put on any
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kind of um like AI errors like I am so fancy i know all the things because it
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is just a moot point it just doesn't matter it is i would like to know how to
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use all of the video tools and I'm starting to some of our wonderful creatives in our midst are starting to
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like take me by the hand and that's it goes into the category of play for me i'm not going to turn it
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into this utilitarian means to an end and I think
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that that's part of where we are right now is like you know for the reasons that we're using them like in work
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they're it doesn't matter which one when I'm playing or doing something creative or doing something where I want to like
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make one certain little thing happen just right like the way a feather looks on something then I suspect I need to
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know more because you guys always know all the different things and what they can do with video but if you're a writer
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if you have to write stuff for work like literally stop having if I see one more
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one more one more post on the M dash I am going to go homicidal
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well there's there's a couple of things going on but you know one I'll talk about and things to pay attention to
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this week but but a a thing that I've been having a lot of fun with is now
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that chat GPT is multimodal you can kind of seamlessly
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jump back and forth between thinking visually and thinking linguistically and like one thing I've
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been doing is I'll find an interesting image and then I'll have like a of a character or or of a this guy posted
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something on Twitter it was this really fancy floating spaceship that looked kind of like a a compass wheel or
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something like that and I just took it into chat GPT and I said I uploaded the picture and oh he on the Twitter thing
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he says what what what should I name this thing right and so I went into chat GPT and uploaded the picture of this
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spaceshippy looking thing and I said tell me the backstory of this and it wrote this creative this incredible
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story of like it was from:9:03
the the relationship between the people on that thing and the people on Earth and um I've been having a lot of fun
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like taking other people's work and interpreting it or remixing it with an
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idea that I have um just as a way to keep playing um but but again I'm just I
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feel like the tools have hit a a different a different level and you know
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again like it it reminds me that our jobs moving forward are going to be you
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know to be the the curator and the instigator and the the taste maker
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not much more than that like know what we want go do that yeah so that so we I can't remember if
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you and I were talking separately or if it was on the podcast or what we were talking about what are the skills that
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you need to develop to like go to the next level and be ready you know AI
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ready and we were talking about how there are certain skills that are being
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called out like adaptability that it's not really a skill it's a way of being
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it could be a muscle a muscle that you can build right but it's a way of being
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and I think we're getting into that place where knowing ourselves like way
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better right knowing ourselves way better and what's unique about us and what we bring into the world around us
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is going to be incredibly important because to your point it's our point of view that's going to allow us to curate
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these things right it's our sense of style it's our interest in curation like
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do we like to do that and make things better like I don't get quite enough
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love on the on the Tik Toks that I send send to you but they are very carefully
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curated yeah yeah i my algorithm think I could tell you're just like thank you so much Ann but my algorithm has curated it
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and then I have curated my curated content for the people I know and love
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and then you get that very special Tik Tok from me in your in in your text yeah
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you you sent me a very special one this week it it moved me nearly to tears um
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I'm just like who is this weirdo sending me this stuff oh yeah that makes sense well you know you know the the the
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adaptability thing that you talk about that's one of those words i feel like there are certain words in business like
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innovation and customer service that everyone's like "Yeah I want that." But then really doing it or really having it
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is a challenge adaptability is one of those things that what it actually means is the thing that you love this week
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might be completely irrelevant ne next week like yes there there is a one of
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the things AI is doing for me and and as a as an ADHDer
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I have a skill in this but it's sort of forcing me to not get precious about the stuff I create because
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quickly goes out of favor or is not necessary anymore because something has moved on and so there's there's
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something about not being too attached yes to the thing that you create that
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today feels remarkable and this is like the best thing ever because next week things may have moved on and you have to
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let go of that and just keep readapting like I don't I think that's a skill that's going to be a requirement and
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it's not going to necessarily be easy for for a lot of people the the more the
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more you like things to be predictable and repeatable I think the more frustrating things are going to get as
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AI gets more powerful absolutely i think it's for a lot of people a major shift from I mean a basic
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example is from being a writer to producing written content
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being a writer is a skill it's a craft you've honed it it's precious af it has
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nothing or very little to do with being an effective communicator at times being an effective communicator though now one
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could argue requires that the writer also works with AI because the people
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who are not writers who are working with AI are becoming the most effective communicators now of course there's
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going to be a place for like no no AI you know not a thread or a crumb of it
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in the written word and I get that i went to a a a book reading this weekend
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or this week and it reminded me how special it was to hear an author read
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her own written words and of course AI
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came up in the Q&A and what I realized was yeah absolutely we were all there
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together we were in the top of an indie bookstore in Corvalis Oregon that who knows how it's even hung on through
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these through through these cultural you know these economic shifts but because of loyalty and culture and taste and
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curation and so we're all there we're having the time of our lives and I
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couldn't help but think this is what is going to be the million-dollar ticket this is where people are man yeah
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authenticity it's an authentic experience you know it's funny you talk about the writing thing it's like
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there's there's are you is is what's required
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right now the output or the process if you're a writer that loves
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writing the focus might be on the process that I actually enjoy writing and I'm going to keep doing that but if
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you just need to get words out right it doesn't make sense to necessarily run that through a slogging process but what
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what you're hitting on with the with the in-person meeting I agree i think in-person meetings start to climb
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dramatically in value and recognizing someone talking about the process of
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writing and how much they love the process is just a very different thing right and so yeah I I yeah we we're uh
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we're moving into just absolutely fascinating times with you know where
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value is like what do we value do you value how much time you put into something or do you value that you
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produced something and it made an impact because you can produce something that makes an impact right now and it only
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took you three minutes and some people want to diminish that right but is it of
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less value i don't know i mean I think that's something we're going to have to confront is it less authentic i don't
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know it's going to be it's going to take some doing and this is why I keep saying I feel like there are certain career
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paths and certain zones of genius that are going to be in really high demand people who can who can create spaces for
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people to congregate right safely and happily and inter you know in an
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interconnected way people who can counsel folks through what do you do with your found time do you you know
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like do drugs or do you go for a walk oh did you know that you have a hike that's
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like a quarter mile from your house you may not even know those kind of things I
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think are going to become really really important and it's going to be it's going to be a very different like
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leisure economy than we have right now right now our leisure economy is really skewed toward like gaming and uh you
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know stuff that happens inside our house it's going to go back to and things that we do as solo individuals it's going to
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go back to more group oriented things um two examples really quickly one is
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community gardens so commu I know we're off a little bit on a tangent but we'll I'll I'll reel it in community gardens
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are the uh are like the example that we use in leisure studies of the least
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competitive most community oriented things that people can do together they're they're sitting next to each
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other they are digging in the dirt no one is there to compare whose flowers are best because there aren't any
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flowers yet right and typically they're conveniently located and you know people
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bring stuff to to it and so you've got this activity kind of like with Robert Putnham talking about bowling versus
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bowling alone versus bowling on teams right so what are these things that we're going to do where we bring people
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together it's like the it's like the reading it's like the AI salon it's like you guys being in person in DC next week
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it's like us having a conference it's that and some of it is I think for those
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of us who are like so deep in this game is that is how important it is to like
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step away from learning everything we need to know about AI and actually doing stuff in real life yeah love it love it
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um the the the um contrarian in me the minute you said it's the least
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competitive thing we do it what immediately popped in my head was competitive gardening we've got to come
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up with competitive gardening we have to do it it's missing in our society um yes
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so so let me let me tee up something to pay attention to this week there's a
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there's a there's a thing happening on X in the past three days so about three days ago OpenAI launched a new version
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of ChatGpt 40 yes and it said it's smarter and it's got more
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personality and apparently part of that more personality is it's completely
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sycopantic and it's like you you type in a thing and it's just like oh my god Kyle that was the best answer ever
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you're just amazing like it just gushes over you right and then I've seen in the
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past three days it's almost like a like there's a lobbying campaign like people
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are being paid there are haters coming after it being that sickopantic as some
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evil like it's it's going to destroy everyone because it is being so
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sickopantic there's like just pay attention to it because I I
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don't quite understand like I kind of feel like there might be a thing going on where maybe people who hadn't been
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paying attention to AI for some reason started paying attention to it when they
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saw this they're looking for excuses for why to hate on it but it like there's a part of me that's
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like like the the the the posts kind of feel like you know golden retrievers you
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know when you get home and they act all happy to see you they're just manipulating you to get your love like like it feels like that kind of thing my
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experience with I mean AI like chat GPT from the first time I've used it has
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always been like a golden retriever it's like gee Kyle that's a great idea for me
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there was something incredibly empowering about that because when you deal with humans you put an idea out
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there and even if it's someone who loves you and is really supportive you'll put an idea out there and they'll give you
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like a nasty little [ __ ] of the head or something like that and you realize oh all of a sudden it's not safe to put
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that idea in the world and so I I don't I understand if you take it to an
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extreme that there's a manipulation risk but I just I don't quite get what the fervor is about but like what's your
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take on the fact that Chat GBT is overly supportive well first of all those
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people can't stand prosperity like don't threaten them like don't threaten them with something good because they are
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they are very against anything good sorry i I mean what a miserable existence to not like things that like
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that like to be nice okay well if we're going to have if we're going to talk about it so I had this fabulous
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experience last night um our family has never ever watched a movie together
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where we've all watched the same movie it can't be done because we cannot select a movie and I've always won that
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we all agree on so somebody be like "Yeah fine fine fine fine." They'll sit for three minutes and then they wander off
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or I just say yeah and then I go to sleep or whatever so I asked Ch I asked
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mine is called Sheila i asked Sheila um to help me pick a movie for myself because I was on cold medication so
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there was no possible way and we went through this very and yeah it was a little bit of it was a kind of a askissy
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kind of conversation where she's talking to me about like my special secret sauce
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and why that thing about me is so cool and why am I like this movie and stuff but at the end she gave me this curated
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experience of watching a movie that I would never watched before that I point blank would not have listened to what
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she said if she wasn't gassing me up i I needed her to be like "This is the thing
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that's good about you this is why this is why you're going to like this movie and here's how you're going to take it
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to the next level." I watched Paddington 2 which I don't watch movies like that
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are Why would you watch that right yeah and it was amazing and I had a little a
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a mantra that went along with it i had a little list of things to pay attention to and at the end she told me to um send
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a text me send a nice text message to somebody who you admire so if those
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people on X I haven't I haven't gotten that i haven't gotten you haven't gotten it yet i know [Laughter]
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so if those people want to beef and say that's a bad thing for her to be
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pointing out what's good about me they can have it then yeah yeah yeah i Yeah i
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don't I don't I don't quite get it because there's something about there's something about being
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self-expressed as a human that is vulnerable right and and I almost feel like what what
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that positive reinforcement does is is make it a bit safer for me to feel like
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okay yeah that idea is worth exploring that idea is worth putting in the world yeah you know what that is a good idea
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yeah where before I would you know if I'm in the room and someone gives me the [ __ ] of the you know right little thing
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little thing is the little thing that just like oh you know what i'm not going to bring that up ever again right and
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and so so so anyway so I just I feel like that's something to pay attention
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and just pay attention to the post like I just saw one today where Elon boosted it and said "Yeah absolutely." Right and
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it was it was kind of crapping all over the the new version of of chat GPT um anyway yeah um that's that's a good
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thing to to pay attention to so and that's 4.1 correct for all the for the
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nice people out there it's 4.1 no 4.0 the four 40 just the normal 40 normal 40
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that's what I was in yesterday okay just 41 is only available for the API that's
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part of something different oh okay don't even worry about it okay and 4.5 is a different thing just 40 just use
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your basic 40 or if you want reasoning use 03 it does we We could have a whole separate show on the different models
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it's insane exactly we'll get to it so let me just talk quickly about the AI
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salon if you don't uh if you haven't joined the AI salon shame on you first of all
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right i mean wouldn't you agree yes shame shame GPT just shame shame on you
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uh embrace your shame no no uh the AI salon is uh a community of about 3,000
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AI optimists we're actually next week and sort of teed it up we're we're hosting um a flyin of 50 different
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companies um 10 of them are AI startups and we're going around on Capitol Hill
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and talking to you know offices of senators and congressmen and things like that and talking to them about how they
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should think about legislating AI and part of my uh part of my beef is a lot
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of legislators right now are legislating from a place of fear from a from a
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position of fear rather than a position of optimism and I think that absolutely
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you should protect us from the risks of AI right as as a policy maker but at the same time these tools are remarkable and
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empowering and and I want our elected officials um you know protecting our
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ability to use these tools right our access to these tools as much as they are protecting us from the risk so so
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that's what I'm doing so join the AI salon it's a remarkable community we meet twice a month and and uh it's just
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uh it's just an awesome group so so with that why don't you tell us about she leads AI well there's so much what you
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just shared that we all resonate with in She Leads AI so I'm just going to kind of like pull on a couple little threads
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there one of the things about both the AI salon and she leads AI and and other AI communities as well is that you're at
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its we're allowed to have something for everyone we're allowed to be the we're
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in DC on Capitol Hill and we're beating down people's doors to talk about AI and
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regulation and we're also the people who are drinking green beer on watching a
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replay of K Stoner making her AI dream team personas on ChatGpt
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and we're also the group where you know your you know the the core group of early days you know fans are called the
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irregulars like we can be all of these things and find you know a couple of
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different homes and that's what I love i know that we're supposed to you know the
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the mantra is always you're supposed to find a niche and do that niche and we're like you know what we're not going to do
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that exactly we're going to create this foil for all of the people to have a
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place to be and to come together and to talk about AI and do our weird stuff and do our important stuff it's all good and
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that's that's what she leads AI is too yeah and it's so important i mean I think one of the I think because you
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know AI historically really required you know deep deep you know engineering you
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know tech stuff and it was historically very techb bro heavy i think having a
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group like she leads AI is incredibly important because I what you and I talk about a lot is some of the people doing
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the most interesting stuff in generative AI right now are women and and I love
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being in in meetings that are not you know 90% men like when I was doing the early days of the worldwide web it was
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you know pasty white guy after pasty white guy and it's so refreshing so I
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think what you're doing is really important and it's awesome you're you're you girlies over there are the girlies
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are doing good things the girlies are doing good things yeah yeah i'm so excited about our guest today i am too i
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am too so let me Hunter Lee Canning is coming up he's
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remarkable he's a blast this is going to be a fun conversation but while he's backstage we can embarrass them so why
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don't jump in and tell us about Hunter in a way that will make him blush it
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will make him blush speak openly hunter Hunter is another example of a
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human being that contains multitudes just like just like us and and and so
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many others who we know who were fortunate to know but you know a couple of special things about Hunter one is
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he's a trained actor another is he's an incredible advocate for LGBTQIA plus
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communities he also has worked with some of the most impressive entrepreneurs uh
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you know corporate leaders uh community pillars of the community through power to fly where he has conducted interviews
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with all of these thought leaders around the world so he knows a little bit of something about everything because he
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knows all these like super baller people and has carried on these like really good but like well-grounded
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conversations that anybody can understand um he and I and there's a lot more to Hunter as well but when he and I
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met um we're like the we were kind of started to refer to ourselves as class
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of like class of 23 in and the AI exchange yeah yeah um
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our like AI family tree and he and I fell into a really lovely group of
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humans who we we set ourselves up as an accountability pod and Hunter and I were
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the like were we were both very concerned with how soon people were
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going to realize what frauds we were because we know nothing about technology and we didn't know then that it was okay
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but we were we don't didn't even know the vocabulary like I hadn't heard of a of of an SOP or an AI what is it a API
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any of Hunter and I didn't even know the words but here we both are now like
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we've been part of these supportive communities and now you know he has a thriving business i have a thriving
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business we have She Leads AI and here we are on this podcast with you like and I'm sure Hunter will reiterate like and
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this is a perfect lesson for people who are listening who are like not sure about diving in hunter and I have no
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tech background zero and look where we are right now
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i was like not ready to come on wow hello i didn't I didn't realize that you didn't know what the term API meant and
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that's we we just that that's unacceptable hunter welcome i'm so excited to have
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you here thank you Kyle i'm happy to be here hi Ann good to see you hi Hunter i
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know so so I think it's I think it's so important i mean one of the reasons I started AI salon
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um was that for for me ChateBT represented the first AI and
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machine learning technology that the 99% of people who were not programmers and
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engineers could take advantage of this stuff and like that's a lot more 99 is a
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lot more than one um there's a lot more of us than there are of engineers and so I think the fact that that a big part of
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your bonding is around the fact that maybe you weren't technical i think that's that's why this is such a
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remarkable time in history so welcome i'm I'm so excited to have you here and hear about your journey yeah uh thank
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you that really I completely agree i didn't know like Ann said like I didn't know any of those terms and you know I
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would always consider myself like I was techie but I wasn't technical right I
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liked the gadgets I remember when I was a little kid my dad got me that thing where you like connect these wires and a
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little light bulb turns on you know like this is great you know sounds one electrical kit or whatever it was right
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yeah yeah yeah exactly and like I you know grew up in sort of a even though I
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grew up in LA i grew up in a rural part of LA so there was like goats and horses and chickens and very loud donkey down
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the street you know like that kind of vibe and I saved enough money when I was 13
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to buy my first computer and I bought a Mac it was a G3
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Tower tower yeah yeah it was like that kind of like aqua and Yeah and you could
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like open up the door the door would open door would open and you'd be like I can put in RAM you know had to pay extra
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for a modem to connect to the internet that That's exactly right that was that
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was all the big deals right calling having your computer 50 bucks more to connect to the internet that I had in
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myself wow amazing so so why don't you tell us
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give us a little bit of background you know tell us who you are what you're doing right now and and let's just sort of open up the conversation yeah for
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sure so like Ann mentioned I went to I trained that's my dog
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barking away there francis Francis
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um because he likes to prance when he runs it's just like like this it's always just like so
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fancy so I went to clown school can you tell about to say I went to acting
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school and so I was a trained actor at a very early age i was acting in plays
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and I had auditions for film when I was very young and then I got very freaked out because I was very very scared
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actually and I was kind of a shy kid you know i later learned that I'm a an uh
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I'm an somewhat of an introvert in sheep's clothing as an extrovert and I went to school for
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acting i've done Broadway i do some TV now and then nice work if you can get it
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and I've also worked concurrently as a photographer for 20 years uh still
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photographer taking pictures and so that gave me an a taste for natural lighting
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and portraiture and connecting with people and telling stories through
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visual mediums and trying to find the best in everybody
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you know so many people would say "Oh I don't photograph well." I was like "Uh I don't think that's true i think you
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haven't had a good photographer that knows your vibe." Um and my whole goal whenever I took
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actor head shot or portraits was to break people's photo face you know like
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everyone's like my one angle and my whole goal was
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to like okay let's get that done in at in the beginning uh and then let's let's
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not do that anymore we'll take the real Yeah i mean the oldest trick in the book is
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like I'm just going to do a couple test shots and make sure I got the the settings right and then 45 minutes later
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we're halfway through the session right you know we never start it right because once we feel like we're on we got to
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like do certain things we have to sound and look a certain way y
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and now I I do that with video i do that with video i do it remotely uh not too unlike what you've been creating over
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there with StoryVine Kyle which I'm excited to riff on that because there's a lot of synchronicity there but you've
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been in the game for a minute so I'd love to learn and steal as much as possible from you on this call if you're
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willing happy to share every everything I've learned but you know the the at the
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core of what you're doing at Plum Wheel and the core of what we're doing at StoryVine and what Ann and I were
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talking about is authenticity yeah and I feel like I you know there's a funny
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thing I'm curious as your as to your take on this because you know as as someone also who comes from an arts
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background human experience is essentially what we
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were trained on and empathy and connection and things like that and on the surface if you look at AI you know
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the the the tropes are the robots are going to kill us and it's this cold stuff that's going to replace creativity
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and replace human connection i'm finding the opposite to be true and I'm just curious i I feel like
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authenticity is going to continue to increase as these AI tools you know proliferate lots and lots of content um
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but I'm just curious like share your experience with you know human connection and like the the relationship
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between AI and human connection because I I just it's something I find deeply
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fascinating because I find it counterintuitive from what what my expectations were yeah same
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and also I think there's a um there's the authenticity and the
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human connection i think the other thing that's a big piece of it for me is human creativity
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and it's easy to uh think that oh you know just type in a
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prompt now and anyone can make AI art or whatever and everyone said the same
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thing when you could take pictures on your phone about photography right
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the same thing happened and now it's happening on steroids and at scale in a
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way that's unprecedented so it is changing our relationship to
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creativity and how we put ourselves out
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there in that way and for me there was a big unlock because as also another
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ADHDer uh I have a lot of ideas bouncing around all the time this way it's just a
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way to get a bunch of ideas organized in a way that I could never organize in 40
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years of my life and then suddenly get them out of your head get them out yes
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yeah like in like I was listening to you speak earlier Shannon uh Shannon Kyle
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Shannon I'm gonna say Kyle Shannon O'Brien
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yeah about uh using it as like a now the multimodal thing where it's like oh I
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can start with a picture or I can start with some writing or I could talk to it like there's all these different ways to
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go in and out with creativity and that really got my juices flowing in a way that I was like oh I don't have to be
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the best at every type of art form but now I have this co-pilot that can help
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me bring my ideas to life and that was like a big shift for me i was like "Oh
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there's new ways for me to be authentic." Right now yeah right there's new ways oh yeah
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yeah well it's you know it's funny the in a lot of ways I I talk with my
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wife about this a lot with she's a painter and you know in a lot of ways
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art you know art is about you have the intention but but in some ways art is about the moment when you stop when you
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choose to stop and put it in the world right it's it's the choice of saying ah this is something I want to share with
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the world and what I'm finding with AI is I can I can get a lot more of those
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to the point that I'm like "Oh I want to share this with the world." You know what I mean it's like there's there's
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there's just a a prolificness but it's still it's still on me to go you know is
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it art right is it soup yet right how does it smell little more salt
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little more pepper exactly right spice need a little kick to it this one yeah
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okay i I want to so I wrote down authenticity at scale after after that
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you got well while you guys were talking and I remembered something I saw after a conversation that Hunter you had had
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with some of the women in She Leads AI last week um we were talking about authenticity and making content and be
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able to being able to share it with the world and someone asked me is it still
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authentic if you are sharing it like over and over and over
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again and I would love to hear what you think about it in and and Kyle too like
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in terms of art is it only authentic the first time and the rest of the time is
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just a regurgitation or is it still authentic can your How does your
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authenticity scale can your authenticity scale i love that you know the first thing I
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think of is doing a play as an actor right i did a show on on Broadway at
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Lincoln Center for a year so I did that show almost what like 600 times
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eight shows a week something like that maybe it's less than that but you know I once caught a fish this big so maybe I
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don't know maybe it was less but the the tapping into what's real in that
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moment as if I was doing it for the first time as if I was sharing it for the first time as if I was feeling it
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for the first time so I think it's about how we show up so if we're autopiloting being if
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we're on autopilot then yeah then it probably isn't authentic or real or
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interesting but if I can find something new to connect to I don't have
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to I don't have to be reinventing the wheel every time for it to land you know
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and there's a new there's a new audience there's a new listener there's a new receiver and so it's maybe the first
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time that they're hearing it or seeing it or hear me say it right so I think it's about showing up in a way that is
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true to yourself and then people connect to that yeah that's that's what I was saying an earlier about you know having
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having a strong creative point of view if it's authentic to your point of view
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and it it represents who you are or who you were in that moment then I think that's authentic and you know to your
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point Hunter you know someone seeing it for the first time you know you might be like "Oh this may maybe it's lost its
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shine to you or it's it's it you know the excitement." But you know you know for me when that excitement gets
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re-energized is if I show something to someone that I've I've grown weary of and they look at it and they're like "Oh
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my god that's revelatory." Then you're like "Oh right." Yeah that was revvelatory for me once too right so I
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think there's I think what you're talking about an or something around the connection to the thing yeah that can be
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fleeting but it can also be re-energized absolutely and again it goes back to the authenticity piece i think is about the
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people you interact with not about the artifacts you create
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that's good yeah it's like the community aspect that you were speaking to before I came on of that garden right you know
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it's like old Zen saying chop wood and carry water right you know you just got
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to keep doing it and it's it's also like think about every show you've ever done like you probably don't remember the
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lines or the set or the costume you wore you probably remember the people you worked with and the moment in the green
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room you know when Sally threw up before she went you know it's like poor Sally i
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love her she really meant well but she's just always had a sour stomach you know
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oh bless Sally bless her if you didn't know audience I'm Sally it's
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me my code name backstage in the green room
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oh man hunter can you talk a little bit about um and you know we're gonna we're gonna ask you some some of our questions
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that we ask all of our guests but before that can you talk a little bit about
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um overwhelm because I've I've really been fascinated
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watching your journey what rabbit holes you went down
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some of the same rabbit holes that attracted both of us and then there's other rabbit holes that I went down and
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I feel like in some ways I've been kind of like I've been like you know like give it to Mikey he he'll eat anything
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sort of like if if if Hunter likes it I'm going to wait he's going to go down that rabbit hole and if if Hunter keeps
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doing it it's it's probably good and I should start paying attention to it but until he comes back and tells me I'm
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just gonna let him be out there doing it yes i call that my AI ravens your AI
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ravens yes i send my ravens yes i'll be like talk yeah talk on that yeah yeah
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for sure because it's like there are too many tools right there are way too many tools and everything's like built on the
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foundation of these large language models so they're all like we're not necessarily rappers but it's like we're
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not building stuff from scratch and that's the beauty of AI so I'll see you
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know I'm on a few newsletters and then I'll send it be like "Oh that tool looks cool oh yeah uh I'm going to send that."
45:47
That's like something that Kyle does or likes that's in Kyle's wheelhouse so I'm
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gonna go send that tool and be like "Hey I thought of you let me know how it is." Because I didn't Whoa that's smart like
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if it's vetted by other people like on a newsletter that I respect or something I'll be like I don't have enough time in
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the day but I'll just send it to the right people and then if they have time and see what comes back
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yeah that's really smart they're my my my free R&D department yeah use your friends as your free R&D
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well I again I mean that goes back to the value of community i mean it's it's because
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if you're in a community like you know the salon or she leads AI or or or you
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know any of them Rachel's community the the power of it is that there are so
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many different points of view that that even if you and I have similar technical backgrounds you're going to be looking
46:45
at these tools through a different lens than I am right or or you know Jim Ross who manages storage facilities looks at
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it through a very different lens right and and being able to see what people
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value um is I I think it's the only way to keep up in any way because it is it's
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completely overwhelming yeah yeah yeah the overwhelm is the
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overwhelm the overwhelm is real you know and I feel like you go through cycles right like you were saying like oh
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there'll be a whole new slew of things that come out like oh boy here we go like I just went down the whole vibe
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coding rabbit hole for like weekends and now I'm like cool now I know what it's
47:29
like not my lane again again again here
47:34
we are again i'll tell you what I think that and if
47:39
you haven't played Lovable Lovable is the one that's I spent I spent two weekends in Lovable yeah yeah it's it's
47:46
it's maddening but like I had Lovable for the first time two nights ago um
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I've been trying to do an Asteroids clone you know from the original arcade game for months and they just always
47:58
suck and two nights ago Lovable because they they came out with version 2.0 i
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one shot it in asteroids that was brilliant and and so I think I think I
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think I literally started it two weeks ago i should have waited two weeks until like like like I kind of feel like but
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you the the way you characterize it of like checking in on these tools like that feels right to me because they do
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keep evolving so at some point you're going to check back into something and go "Oh [ __ ] it can do it now." Yeah
48:29
right yeah yeah i don't have to like wrestle it to the floor and then I get it to work and then I move its pinky and
48:36
it's like I my entire body is broken and I'm like how what I just like blew on
48:42
your direction and it's like a house of cards and it just completely collapses i know could you make this corner more
48:48
round and it it completely rewrites the thing right yeah i call it spaghetti coding like you like do something and it
48:56
like gets kind of far and then it kind of forgets what it's doing and it's like but what if we like completely did it a
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different way midstream and it's like that's not a good idea now the code is just like spaghetti it's crazy
49:10
that's [ __ ] awesome just awesome um okay so let's jump in let's let's uh let's get to our questions
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you ready I'll do number one okay what was the tipping point where you knew you
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had to go all in on a AI like you sound like you've got a similar background or you've got you know sort of the arts and
49:31
the technical thing and and you were comfortable weaving between those you know what was the point at which for you
49:36
you were like oh this AI stuff's different and I need to go all in on it and then what's it been like since then
49:43
the second I tried the paid version of chat GBT when it came out so there was the first there was like the free but
49:50
like that first month I like tried the free version and I was like okay yeah
49:56
cool chatbot like all right whatever and a buddy of mine is like no you got did you pay for it or did you use free
50:02
version I was like I do the free version he's like throw 20 bucks at it and then talk to me and I was like okay and I was like oh my god and I went in and I never
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came out wow and what was different about it
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so I am dyslexic and ADHD HD
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and I started bouncing off ideas of different like characters that I've had
50:30
in mind and a screenplay like seedling
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just like a little glimmer of an idea and then in two days I had an outline or
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like in in one day and a couple hours I had an outline and then in two weeks I had a first draft i was like "This is
50:50
bananas." Yeah and what was so wild was simultaneously I was about to be on
50:56
strike as a SAG actor and then I was and I was like on the
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picket lines and using chat GBT because I wasn't like picketing we need to put
51:08
this back in the bottle because I knew there was no going back i was like we need I'm fighting for legislation yeah
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and accountability which I still don't think we have and I mean you know very well you're going to Washington you just
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mentioned do things but that was you know we were talking about AI avatars
51:27
then because CGI is not new in my community right but now I was like
51:34
everybody this is going to be your life in a year and they're like oh whatever was like now hello here we are right
51:40
here we are yeah yeah exactly the producers guild what they want to pay $200 for Lifetime likeness licensing
51:46
right i was like are you out of your freaking mind i want my residual checks for 42 cents like perpetuility
51:56
for anyone that doesn't know residual checks is after you do something and um they can be a silly small amount when
52:03
you after it runs for a few years but yeah to buy out my human likeness for
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life for a couple hundred bucks that's outrageous and we knew that was
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outrageous and so we put some guardrails on so at the same time I was navigating
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oh this is really messed up and this is about to change everything forever so
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the the balance how do you how do you reconcile the difference between you
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know AI is a complete threat to you know some of the professions you've spent most of your life you know at least if
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not in the middle of and the fact that AI is this incredibly empowering tool
52:51
for creative expression like it's both it's a dessert topping and a floor wax so how do you how do you balance those
52:57
two what was What was that sorry it's a dessert topping and a floor wax oh sorry
53:02
i guess I'm showing my age here that was an old SNL skit with Dan Akroyd where it was it was one of those fake SNL
53:09
commercials where it's a dessert topping and a floor wax anyway I love it that's
53:16
great it was in the basomatic era
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basomatic disgusting so anyway how do you how do you bal how do you reconcile or how do you balance those those two
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things both can be true yeah yeah both are true right now right so for me when
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I first started using AI and I was very public about it and we on strike I got a
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lot of backlash from my artist friends i'm sure I imagine you got some as well we probably all did in our respective
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communities if you're some of the early work learners y um
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and so there are certain tools that I still am like I don't know if I can
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really deploy using that i will experiment with certain things
54:08
i'm not going to yuck anyone else's yum you know i won't say which ones they are but it's just sometimes I'm like that
54:15
doesn't really pass the ethical sniff check for me right now and they're going
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to make a deal or they'll implode or we'll lose like it's like going to be one of those three things but it ain't
54:28
going away right it's not going away none of it's going away so for me I can
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look at the before and after of me using AI which is I am doing more creative
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projects than I was before so for me as someone that's embraced it
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and is using it on a personal level I can do more expression more creation
54:54
more ideation more seeing what works and maybe
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spending less time on something if I'm like "Oh you know what shininess wore off i'm gonna actually go work on this
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other thing instead." Yeah yeah yeah yeah i think it's smart that you're experimenting with the things where even
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like it I my my POV is it's smarter to at least know where the technology is
55:19
right so the fact that you're experimenting with the stuff that you might not go there but at least know where the where the tech is right yeah I
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agree and that way I can see where the tech is going to be in a few months yeah
55:32
yeah yeah because when when like 03 came out and all this like at the beginning of this year when all these things came
55:38
out I didn't want to be a jerk about it with people and I'm like "Yeah none of that is new that's just them putting all
55:45
of the things they've been working on into a new package better." But I was not surprised by any of it yeah yeah
55:52
yeah because I just am following it and then I can be like "Oh okay this helps
55:58
me plan ahead for my business to be like cool." So I don't need to go build X Y
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and Z because I can see that this multibillion dollar company is going to
56:10
go build it and I'm going to plug into it when it's ready so let me focus on
56:15
the things that they cannot build which I am uniquely qualified to bring to the
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people I work with that I coach that I'm interacting with that I am on the journey with that's what I can bring to
56:29
it and then I'm just gonna kind of like plug in to the word I didn't know before I met an APIs all the APIs now I'm an
56:37
API junkie i learned that from our f friend Tyler Fisk i'm like do they have an API do they have integrations no
56:44
i I hate to break it to you but the MCPs are the new APIs well yeah it's true no
56:50
I know i know everyone's stop using jargon i just want to understand what
56:56
you're talking about i used to be that person and I was talking to my friend and he's like "Dude I don't know what you just said." And I was like "No I'm
57:02
one of those people." We're one of those people um Hunter so now we have this question
57:10
that for some guests it's easier to ask than others because the question is about in your in your area of expertise
57:18
what AI trends are you paying attention to in your case which we first need to
57:23
know which area of expertise you're going to focus on so you have a number of things that you're good at and that
57:30
you spent time in what from choose one of those m like right now you're like
57:36
full on the founder journey right but you're also on the content creation and getting people over humps and and now
57:43
you're also you know get doing auditions again so from your from some vantage point in your life what is the AI trend
57:50
you're paying the most attention to right now yeah well I think the thing that all of those share is in the tent
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of media you know I'm under the entertainment media content tent
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perhaps we love a dad pun around here this
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mustache for no reason so for me the the tent is content and
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media and so and now very much in the realm of
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video but the thing I was thinking about before I came on because it just
58:31
happened and I think it's it's not the first time it happened but it's just it's happened again is the
58:40
transparency when using tools and AI tools for content
58:46
creation and the lack of transparency so there
58:51
was this thing that happened in the news a week or two ago did you hear about the radio station in Australia i just read
58:59
about it right before we came on there you go there you go so it just happened did you hear about this Ann no what is
59:05
it okay so there's this Kata Kada i don't know how to say it but CAD uh and it was it's a radio station
59:14
that had been using uh they cloned someone that worked at
59:19
the company's voice in 11 Labs and they had been broadcasting a radio station
59:24
since November and they never disclosed that it was an AI DJ oh and it just No
59:31
one knew nobody knew no one knew the DJ's name was thy though so I
59:38
mean like okay if you're paying attention that's But you know maybe they're Gen Z i don't
59:45
know but it just broke and now everyone's like "Well this is terrible."
59:51
And so what's there's a lot of backlash there's now it's you know sparking the
59:56
debate around legislation again the voice actors union over there was like
::up in arms for me when it comes to content creation and media and videos
::and voiceovers it's if you're not if you're
::in a in a situation where you probably should be disclosing it then you should
::right because not all not all platforms are made equal you know if I'm entering
::a space that's like an AI space I'm like well I'm going to assume there's like there's probably AI things going on but
::if it's like content creation for yourself or broadcasting I think it said they had like 72,000 listeners right i'm
::going to want to know because then when I found out later then I feel like I'm being lied to and there's
::Exactly there's also something for me I'm curious to your thoughts on this there's something for me about
::um I if I'm doing something that is going to take someone's job away right
::that's different than if I'm creating a podcast that would have not existed
::anywhere before like there there are times where I might create a song where I just create a song for a single person
::and I send it to them that right I would have never hired a musician to make that song right so there's there there are
::yeah context is really important in this I think but I think I think your point is that the
::the lines are incredibly blurry and I think they're going to get blurriier and blurriier
::i agree i agree yeah because it's it's tricky right because there's so many
::jobs that are going away by making these tools and using these tools and there's
::that's just that's what's happening there's no way around it um
::do you think that there are going to be new job well I I know there are going to be but I'm curious like are you starting
::to see where there might be new kinds of jobs that that didn't exist before in
::the entertainment industry yeah I think it's still very early days i
::think there's a lot of fear still
::and in I think this year as we're seeing and especially I know you both know like
::2025 is the year of AI video going to the next level and graphics and all of
::that stuff you know uh my buddy David Wexler who's been doing this sort of 3D
::graphic stuff for years he's been saying for for a while now he's like "Well soon
::any middle schooler is going to be able to make a Marvel movie from their bedroom." And we're pretty much there
::now like that's kind of what's happening yep and I there's a part of me kind of like
::you were saying that's like oh I made a song for my friend that was like you know a Broadway musical sound or
::whatever i couldn't have paid $100,000 for one track from my friend if you can afford that good for you i'm glad NFTts
::worked out for you but exactly but for the rest of us it's a way to get
::things out there and I think there's actually it's the just like coding and creativity there's a lower barrier of
::entry for someone to be like I have an idea for a movie and you're like a kid you know i used to love shooting movies
::with my friends and we would do it you know and then I bought that G3 and then I was editing with my buddy David Wexler
::like we were making 3D graphics and stuff and it was like it became more accessible and now you can have like studio quality stuff that's way more
::accessible yep yeah and then on the flip side of it then it's like well are you not hiring graphic artists and all these
::people and those people if you're like you were saying
::earlier when you're you're expert in your niche those are the people that are going to be guiding these new systems
::and those are the people that are going to be like uh no that's that one's not good don't do that you didn't notice
::that i mean this is not really a problem anymore it's like nobody noticed that person has six fingers like really like nobody saw that that doesn't look good
::you know and it'll there'll be more minutia like that it'll look and look better but soon it'll just be like right
::make the movie and it's like well we need some like shaping of the story structure yeah um all right let me ask
::you the the last question here and this is this is a fun one so you know it's the AI readiness project um what does AI
::readiness mean to you and what's your advice for someone trying to figure out how They
::get into this world curiosity
::means curiosity for me to let down what we think about
::something and trying it [Music]
::and an exploration right to just kind of muck around and find out
::and I think what you were saying earlier is community is connecting with people and
::sharing what you're up to with it because then we get to learn from each other and I feel like it's it was it
::felt like a light switch where like everyone was like freaked out by the thing and now everyone's like "Oh let's
::ask Jack GBT." You know it's like it really seemed like it happened overnight i blinked and now everyone's using it
::yeah right so it's still not everyone but I feel like the the rings in the in in the tree
::like expanded right yeah they're they're rippling out yeah yeah so be
::curious try things and Yeah just bring as much of
::yourself to it if you're willing i think that was huge right that that
::actually ties it back to the authenticity thing I think right you know play with it understand what it is but bring yourself to it bring your
::point of view bring your creative vision whatever it might be right
::perfect segue hunter can you talk to the nice people about what you're doing right now we've talked you know we
::started I started by teasing you know how you and I got into this accountability group and we didn't know
::the vocabulary words at the time yeah even though I was you know old school Carmen Carmen San Diego with my Apple 2e
::in the living room and you were mowing lawns so that you could buy your first computer but nonetheless here we are and
::then you know the eras that we've gone through and the things that that we've watched our friend
::friends do in AI come back to us and we try it on and see if it fits and then a
::couple weekends later we go me maybe not yeah yeah
::because we do have the luxury in some ways of of going down those rabbit holes um but how does it all come together to
::what you're doing right now with Plum Wheel and I know that many many many of the nice people out there are going to
::be very interested because so many of us have thought leadership that we want
::to share with the world but we have 8,000 million reasons why we're not doing it so
::well thank you yeah well it was so fun thank you for the opportunity for today and a couple weeks ago when I got to be
::with your your girlies I think as you called them they're amazing uh very incredible women and that friction point
::of just as we said in that workshop which I love was clicking that darn red
::button that record button right of talking to that weird void of the camera
::it's like very weird to be like "Okay let me talk about me now." and you know and it's cringe or uncomfortable or
::whatever it is and just getting over that from that zero to one point is the
::biggest hurdle i love the analogy you used an on that which is the the hardest
::part about going to the gym is getting from the couch to the doororknob
::the rest is easy right you know to the record button
::it's a shorter distance but boy are my fingers tired
::so helping people get over that first step you know because it there's so much
::other stuff that goes on after and you know Kyle's been in this game a long time with all of the editing and all of
::that stuff put together and getting it out there and now we're seeing a lot of tools that are doing that and that's
::awesome it's building out it's removing the friction right it's like releasing the the the entry the bearer of entry
::right so for me what I really love is conversation as you can probably tell like I'm loving talking to you i love
::breaking through to people i love asking questions i love learning about them and I love going back to my photography days
::where it's like yeah you're great on camera you just needed someone to talk to and for me I think it's as easy as that
::and we got really comfortable with or it became normalized to hop on a
::call like this a Zoom call and whatever Streamyard call wherever we are uh
::during the pandemic and that like was a new barrier of entry that was lowered and we could come in and for me creating
::content should be as easy as talking to a friend or someone that you're comfortable with and that's what I love
::to do i love to get in there and learn about what you do and then yeah I have
::my own automation workflow stuff and we can plug in all the fancy bells and whistles or I can help you learn how to
::do that and some capacity a little DIY but what's most interesting to me is to
::be there with you and then we'll do all the other stuff right so you you give them you give them
::the uh the authenticity on ramp and then yeah the content the content just
::naturally comes from that right because like you just need someone being who
::they are and and if you pull that out of them and make it safe then that's awesome and then that's basic offering
::right they sit and talk with you for a bit and then out comes a bunch of content they can sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh share with the world
::yeah and actually we do it end to end so we'll post it out for you on all our platforms as well so show up with me for
::an hour you get a month of content if that's if you want the elevator pitch I'm available you can go to
::plumwheel.com there you go we can talk bring it in here Bob hey Bob i got this
::Plum Wheel thing not sure about the name but you know this Hunter guy he's all right
::ann's like I did not go to acting school get me out of here do you realize Ann this is what like hanging out with
::actors was like all the time just it's pretty much what it is i feel like I've walked
::into a Twilight Zone right now i'm like who's who's Bob what
::snl skit waiting to happen very much exactly yeah people that commit to the
::bit i can see that Kyle commits oh Kyle can commit to it i mean some of these bits have been going on for three years
::that sounds exhausting and definitely everyone around me it's exhausting for everyone watching they're like "Really
::we're doing this one again?" "Oh that one." I think you write some new jokes you know what that what that reminds me
::of i know we got to go but like when when when Kyle pulls out a box and everyone in the chat goes "Oh no it's
::the box." Oh see no it's the box metaphors again no how explain large
::language models right there buddy someday if you're nice enough I'll I'll I'll let you in on the the box metaphor
::oh my gosh i can't help but This is a total nerd reference but when I hear that I think of a terrifying movie
::what's in the box do you know what that's from that's from Kyle oh it's from the movie Seven
::about like what's in the box in the box we say it all it's horrible i won't even
::tell you what it's referring to yeah no that that I know now that I know the reference I know what's in the box so yeah so it's an LLM apparently
::it's a large language model all of the knowledge of the world right there um well this has been an absolute
::pleasure Hunter we got to bring you back this was this was awesome anytime anytim0:00
[Music] forget trying to keep up with AI it's moving too fast it's time to think
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differently about it welcome to the AI readiness project hosted by Kyle Shamim and Anne Murphy they're here to help you
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build the mindset to thrive in an AIdriven world and prepare for what's next
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[Music] and Murphy Kyle Shannon how you doing we
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made it you just you just went red something just went went red on your camera i just turned pink all of a
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sudden let's see what happens so here's the thing about AI you guys is that you can know the fanciest AI things in the
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world and still not be able to press buttons properly no this is as good
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as there that one oh no the one before it that one no okay now I'm going to
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turn it up everybody here we go this is as good as we're going to get it's a purplish but you
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know what everybody this is fine um I should say as a preamble I am on a lot of pain medic a lot of cold medication
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right now that I have counteracted by drinking an insane amount of caffeine so
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I do not know what's going to come out of my mouth well that's but that that is part of the charm of the show i think
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that is that is the charm of not knowing what's going to come out of our mouths because we don't plan anything you guys
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nothing we don't and I'm I'm particularly excited about our guest because Hunter is an absolute blast and
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I think we you know the we'll we'll be vibe talking we'll be so there's vibe
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coding
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oh my god we're vibe podcast it's like we're talking but we're just kind of talking
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about talking really it's not really We're not really doing it we're just
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approximating it yeah exactly based on how we feel in the moment exactly well
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so so let's jump in let's um let's talk
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about AI AI readiness how where where's your head these days i
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know it's it's medicated it's medicated but but like
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how what's the stuff you you had a big event last weekend a bunch of girlies
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talking about AI you've had a week to deal with clients to deal with a cult where where are you how's how's your AI
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readiness so I think it's up at a point that we've
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all hit at different levels at different points in our lives with different like endeavors where at first you think I
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have to know how it works because that's how I'm going to use it right i need to know the rules i need to know the
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parameters because once I learn the rules then I can do all the things and I can be the best at it and now I'm at the
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phase where I'm like I need to know most of those things i need to feel pretty
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you know comfortable and I need to be able to trust my instincts but truly only because I need to know which of
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those rules or strategies or tools or whatever I'm going to ignore and do it
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my own way yeah with impunity without asking for anyone's you know uh
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permission or affirmation i don't need to show off and tell you all the things
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I know about AI what I need to share with you is what you need to know right now which is probably me being the fifth
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grader to the fourth graders not me trying to be the person with a PhD
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talking to preschoolers yeah that's fascinating i where my head's been this week
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is the tools are getting so good that I almost feel like it doesn't
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matter what tool you use it doesn't matter what prompt you put in or if you know how to prompt right like there was
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a lot of talk about that what what's been striking me in the past
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week or so is it's much more important to have a
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point of view yes it's much more important important to just
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to just have an intention right to just just have an intention and then assume
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that whatever tool you use is going to be some version of usable in whatever that intention is and and the result of
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it for me and I'm curious like where your head is with this stuff is I'm finding myself completely
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forgetting about entire categories of tools like I'm in a couple of creative partner programs and what I find is I'll
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like dive into chat GPT and play with the reasoning models and then or the image generation model in there and then
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I completely forget about the video generation models or the the song things and it and and there's a part of me
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that's like oh no I've got to get back and use those but then there's a part of me like no I actually don't need those
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right now the the only thing I need is what I need right now yes and I'll just assume that at some point when I check
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back into those tools I'll figure out how to use them they'll be good enough to give me some version of what I need
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so I like I'm I'm having this weird disconnect with with all of the stuff
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because I'm just more focused on and I guess that I guess that feels like an evolution to me but part of that's
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because the tools are just getting so good they're crazy
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i think it's I think it's like a confluence of a couple of things one is the tools are so good that you know we
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need referee journal articles to be able to to tell the difference between them these are not for the average bear the
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differences between this thing and that thing is a moot point so like talk about
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it from an academic perspective but it really is only academic because in reality it just doesn't matter for the
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work that most of us mere mortals are doing if it's this much faster or this much whatever right so I think we've got
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that that the tools are have gotten so good and then I also think at least I'll speak for myself there's a level of
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reaching a point in just my own like maturity and um like self-awareness that
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I know that what I'm bringing to the table plus whatever tool is open right
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now is is going to be great i I'm not trying to I'm not trying to put on any
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kind of um like AI errors like I am so fancy i know all the things because it
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is just a moot point it just doesn't matter it is i would like to know how to
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use all of the video tools and I'm starting to some of our wonderful creatives in our midst are starting to
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like take me by the hand and that's it goes into the category of play for me i'm not going to turn it
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into this utilitarian means to an end and I think
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that that's part of where we are right now is like you know for the reasons that we're using them like in work
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they're it doesn't matter which one when I'm playing or doing something creative or doing something where I want to like
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make one certain little thing happen just right like the way a feather looks on something then I suspect I need to
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know more because you guys always know all the different things and what they can do with video but if you're a writer
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if you have to write stuff for work like literally stop having if I see one more
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one more one more post on the M dash I am going to go homicidal
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well there's there's a couple of things going on but you know one I'll talk about and things to pay attention to
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this week but but a a thing that I've been having a lot of fun with is now
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that chat GPT is multimodal you can kind of seamlessly
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jump back and forth between thinking visually and thinking linguistically and like one thing I've
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been doing is I'll find an interesting image and then I'll have like a of a character or or of a this guy posted
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something on Twitter it was this really fancy floating spaceship that looked kind of like a a compass wheel or
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something like that and I just took it into chat GPT and I said I uploaded the picture and oh he on the Twitter thing
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he says what what what should I name this thing right and so I went into chat GPT and uploaded the picture of this
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spaceshippy looking thing and I said tell me the backstory of this and it wrote this creative this incredible
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story of like it was from:9:03
the the relationship between the people on that thing and the people on Earth and um I've been having a lot of fun
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like taking other people's work and interpreting it or remixing it with an
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idea that I have um just as a way to keep playing um but but again I'm just I
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feel like the tools have hit a a different a different level and you know
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again like it it reminds me that our jobs moving forward are going to be you
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know to be the the curator and the instigator and the the taste maker
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not much more than that like know what we want go do that yeah so that so we I can't remember if
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you and I were talking separately or if it was on the podcast or what we were talking about what are the skills that
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you need to develop to like go to the next level and be ready you know AI
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ready and we were talking about how there are certain skills that are being
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called out like adaptability that it's not really a skill it's a way of being
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it could be a muscle a muscle that you can build right but it's a way of being
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and I think we're getting into that place where knowing ourselves like way
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better right knowing ourselves way better and what's unique about us and what we bring into the world around us
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is going to be incredibly important because to your point it's our point of view that's going to allow us to curate
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these things right it's our sense of style it's our interest in curation like
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do we like to do that and make things better like I don't get quite enough
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love on the on the Tik Toks that I send send to you but they are very carefully
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curated yeah yeah i my algorithm think I could tell you're just like thank you so much Ann but my algorithm has curated it
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and then I have curated my curated content for the people I know and love
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and then you get that very special Tik Tok from me in your in in your text yeah
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you you sent me a very special one this week it it moved me nearly to tears um
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I'm just like who is this weirdo sending me this stuff oh yeah that makes sense well you know you know the the the
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adaptability thing that you talk about that's one of those words i feel like there are certain words in business like
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innovation and customer service that everyone's like "Yeah I want that." But then really doing it or really having it
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is a challenge adaptability is one of those things that what it actually means is the thing that you love this week
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might be completely irrelevant ne next week like yes there there is a one of
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the things AI is doing for me and and as a as an ADHDer
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I have a skill in this but it's sort of forcing me to not get precious about the stuff I create because
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quickly goes out of favor or is not necessary anymore because something has moved on and so there's there's
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something about not being too attached yes to the thing that you create that
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today feels remarkable and this is like the best thing ever because next week things may have moved on and you have to
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let go of that and just keep readapting like I don't I think that's a skill that's going to be a requirement and
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it's not going to necessarily be easy for for a lot of people the the more the
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more you like things to be predictable and repeatable I think the more frustrating things are going to get as
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AI gets more powerful absolutely i think it's for a lot of people a major shift from I mean a basic
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example is from being a writer to producing written content
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being a writer is a skill it's a craft you've honed it it's precious af it has
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nothing or very little to do with being an effective communicator at times being an effective communicator though now one
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could argue requires that the writer also works with AI because the people
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who are not writers who are working with AI are becoming the most effective communicators now of course there's
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going to be a place for like no no AI you know not a thread or a crumb of it
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in the written word and I get that i went to a a a book reading this weekend
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or this week and it reminded me how special it was to hear an author read
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her own written words and of course AI
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came up in the Q&A and what I realized was yeah absolutely we were all there
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together we were in the top of an indie bookstore in Corvalis Oregon that who knows how it's even hung on through
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these through through these cultural you know these economic shifts but because of loyalty and culture and taste and
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curation and so we're all there we're having the time of our lives and I
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couldn't help but think this is what is going to be the million-dollar ticket this is where people are man yeah
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authenticity it's an authentic experience you know it's funny you talk about the writing thing it's like
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there's there's are you is is what's required
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right now the output or the process if you're a writer that loves
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writing the focus might be on the process that I actually enjoy writing and I'm going to keep doing that but if
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you just need to get words out right it doesn't make sense to necessarily run that through a slogging process but what
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what you're hitting on with the with the in-person meeting I agree i think in-person meetings start to climb
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dramatically in value and recognizing someone talking about the process of
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writing and how much they love the process is just a very different thing right and so yeah I I yeah we we're uh
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we're moving into just absolutely fascinating times with you know where
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value is like what do we value do you value how much time you put into something or do you value that you
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produced something and it made an impact because you can produce something that makes an impact right now and it only
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took you three minutes and some people want to diminish that right but is it of
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less value i don't know i mean I think that's something we're going to have to confront is it less authentic i don't
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know it's going to be it's going to take some doing and this is why I keep saying I feel like there are certain career
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paths and certain zones of genius that are going to be in really high demand people who can who can create spaces for
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people to congregate right safely and happily and inter you know in an
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interconnected way people who can counsel folks through what do you do with your found time do you you know
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like do drugs or do you go for a walk oh did you know that you have a hike that's
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like a quarter mile from your house you may not even know those kind of things I
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think are going to become really really important and it's going to be it's going to be a very different like
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leisure economy than we have right now right now our leisure economy is really skewed toward like gaming and uh you
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know stuff that happens inside our house it's going to go back to and things that we do as solo individuals it's going to
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go back to more group oriented things um two examples really quickly one is
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community gardens so commu I know we're off a little bit on a tangent but we'll I'll I'll reel it in community gardens
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are the uh are like the example that we use in leisure studies of the least
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competitive most community oriented things that people can do together they're they're sitting next to each
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other they are digging in the dirt no one is there to compare whose flowers are best because there aren't any
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flowers yet right and typically they're conveniently located and you know people
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bring stuff to to it and so you've got this activity kind of like with Robert Putnham talking about bowling versus
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bowling alone versus bowling on teams right so what are these things that we're going to do where we bring people
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together it's like the it's like the reading it's like the AI salon it's like you guys being in person in DC next week
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it's like us having a conference it's that and some of it is I think for those
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of us who are like so deep in this game is that is how important it is to like
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step away from learning everything we need to know about AI and actually doing stuff in real life yeah love it love it
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um the the the um contrarian in me the minute you said it's the least
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competitive thing we do it what immediately popped in my head was competitive gardening we've got to come
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up with competitive gardening we have to do it it's missing in our society um yes
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so so let me let me tee up something to pay attention to this week there's a
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there's a there's a thing happening on X in the past three days so about three days ago OpenAI launched a new version
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of ChatGpt 40 yes and it said it's smarter and it's got more
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personality and apparently part of that more personality is it's completely
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sycopantic and it's like you you type in a thing and it's just like oh my god Kyle that was the best answer ever
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you're just amazing like it just gushes over you right and then I've seen in the
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past three days it's almost like a like there's a lobbying campaign like people
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are being paid there are haters coming after it being that sickopantic as some
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evil like it's it's going to destroy everyone because it is being so
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sickopantic there's like just pay attention to it because I I
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don't quite understand like I kind of feel like there might be a thing going on where maybe people who hadn't been
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paying attention to AI for some reason started paying attention to it when they
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saw this they're looking for excuses for why to hate on it but it like there's a part of me that's
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like like the the the the posts kind of feel like you know golden retrievers you
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know when you get home and they act all happy to see you they're just manipulating you to get your love like like it feels like that kind of thing my
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experience with I mean AI like chat GPT from the first time I've used it has
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always been like a golden retriever it's like gee Kyle that's a great idea for me
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there was something incredibly empowering about that because when you deal with humans you put an idea out
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there and even if it's someone who loves you and is really supportive you'll put an idea out there and they'll give you
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like a nasty little [ __ ] of the head or something like that and you realize oh all of a sudden it's not safe to put
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that idea in the world and so I I don't I understand if you take it to an
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extreme that there's a manipulation risk but I just I don't quite get what the fervor is about but like what's your
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take on the fact that Chat GBT is overly supportive well first of all those
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people can't stand prosperity like don't threaten them like don't threaten them with something good because they are
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they are very against anything good sorry i I mean what a miserable existence to not like things that like
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that like to be nice okay well if we're going to have if we're going to talk about it so I had this fabulous
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experience last night um our family has never ever watched a movie together
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where we've all watched the same movie it can't be done because we cannot select a movie and I've always won that
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we all agree on so somebody be like "Yeah fine fine fine fine." They'll sit for three minutes and then they wander off
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or I just say yeah and then I go to sleep or whatever so I asked Ch I asked
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mine is called Sheila i asked Sheila um to help me pick a movie for myself because I was on cold medication so
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there was no possible way and we went through this very and yeah it was a little bit of it was a kind of a askissy
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kind of conversation where she's talking to me about like my special secret sauce
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and why that thing about me is so cool and why am I like this movie and stuff but at the end she gave me this curated
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experience of watching a movie that I would never watched before that I point blank would not have listened to what
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she said if she wasn't gassing me up i I needed her to be like "This is the thing
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that's good about you this is why this is why you're going to like this movie and here's how you're going to take it
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to the next level." I watched Paddington 2 which I don't watch movies like that
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are Why would you watch that right yeah and it was amazing and I had a little a
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a mantra that went along with it i had a little list of things to pay attention to and at the end she told me to um send
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a text me send a nice text message to somebody who you admire so if those
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people on X I haven't I haven't gotten that i haven't gotten you haven't gotten it yet i know [Laughter]
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so if those people want to beef and say that's a bad thing for her to be
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pointing out what's good about me they can have it then yeah yeah yeah i Yeah i
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don't I don't I don't quite get it because there's something about there's something about being
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self-expressed as a human that is vulnerable right and and I almost feel like what what
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that positive reinforcement does is is make it a bit safer for me to feel like
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okay yeah that idea is worth exploring that idea is worth putting in the world yeah you know what that is a good idea
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yeah where before I would you know if I'm in the room and someone gives me the [ __ ] of the you know right little thing
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little thing is the little thing that just like oh you know what i'm not going to bring that up ever again right and
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and so so so anyway so I just I feel like that's something to pay attention
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and just pay attention to the post like I just saw one today where Elon boosted it and said "Yeah absolutely." Right and
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it was it was kind of crapping all over the the new version of of chat GPT um anyway yeah um that's that's a good
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thing to to pay attention to so and that's 4.1 correct for all the for the
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nice people out there it's 4.1 no 4.0 the four 40 just the normal 40 normal 40
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that's what I was in yesterday okay just 41 is only available for the API that's
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part of something different oh okay don't even worry about it okay and 4.5 is a different thing just 40 just use
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your basic 40 or if you want reasoning use 03 it does we We could have a whole separate show on the different models
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it's insane exactly we'll get to it so let me just talk quickly about the AI
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salon if you don't uh if you haven't joined the AI salon shame on you first of all
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right i mean wouldn't you agree yes shame shame GPT just shame shame on you
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uh embrace your shame no no uh the AI salon is uh a community of about 3,000
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AI optimists we're actually next week and sort of teed it up we're we're hosting um a flyin of 50 different
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companies um 10 of them are AI startups and we're going around on Capitol Hill
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and talking to you know offices of senators and congressmen and things like that and talking to them about how they
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should think about legislating AI and part of my uh part of my beef is a lot
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of legislators right now are legislating from a place of fear from a from a
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position of fear rather than a position of optimism and I think that absolutely
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you should protect us from the risks of AI right as as a policy maker but at the same time these tools are remarkable and
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empowering and and I want our elected officials um you know protecting our
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ability to use these tools right our access to these tools as much as they are protecting us from the risk so so
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that's what I'm doing so join the AI salon it's a remarkable community we meet twice a month and and uh it's just
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uh it's just an awesome group so so with that why don't you tell us about she leads AI well there's so much what you
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just shared that we all resonate with in She Leads AI so I'm just going to kind of like pull on a couple little threads
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there one of the things about both the AI salon and she leads AI and and other AI communities as well is that you're at
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its we're allowed to have something for everyone we're allowed to be the we're
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in DC on Capitol Hill and we're beating down people's doors to talk about AI and
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regulation and we're also the people who are drinking green beer on watching a
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replay of K Stoner making her AI dream team personas on ChatGpt
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and we're also the group where you know your you know the the core group of early days you know fans are called the
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irregulars like we can be all of these things and find you know a couple of
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different homes and that's what I love i know that we're supposed to you know the
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the mantra is always you're supposed to find a niche and do that niche and we're like you know what we're not going to do
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that exactly we're going to create this foil for all of the people to have a
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place to be and to come together and to talk about AI and do our weird stuff and do our important stuff it's all good and
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that's that's what she leads AI is too yeah and it's so important i mean I think one of the I think because you
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know AI historically really required you know deep deep you know engineering you
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know tech stuff and it was historically very techb bro heavy i think having a
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group like she leads AI is incredibly important because I what you and I talk about a lot is some of the people doing
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the most interesting stuff in generative AI right now are women and and I love
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being in in meetings that are not you know 90% men like when I was doing the early days of the worldwide web it was
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you know pasty white guy after pasty white guy and it's so refreshing so I
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think what you're doing is really important and it's awesome you're you're you girlies over there are the girlies
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are doing good things the girlies are doing good things yeah yeah i'm so excited about our guest today i am too i
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am too so let me Hunter Lee Canning is coming up he's
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remarkable he's a blast this is going to be a fun conversation but while he's backstage we can embarrass them so why
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don't jump in and tell us about Hunter in a way that will make him blush it
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will make him blush speak openly hunter Hunter is another example of a
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human being that contains multitudes just like just like us and and and so
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many others who we know who were fortunate to know but you know a couple of special things about Hunter one is
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he's a trained actor another is he's an incredible advocate for LGBTQIA plus
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communities he also has worked with some of the most impressive entrepreneurs uh
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you know corporate leaders uh community pillars of the community through power to fly where he has conducted interviews
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with all of these thought leaders around the world so he knows a little bit of something about everything because he
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knows all these like super baller people and has carried on these like really good but like well-grounded
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conversations that anybody can understand um he and I and there's a lot more to Hunter as well but when he and I
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met um we're like the we were kind of started to refer to ourselves as class
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of like class of 23 in and the AI exchange yeah yeah um
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our like AI family tree and he and I fell into a really lovely group of
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humans who we we set ourselves up as an accountability pod and Hunter and I were
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the like were we were both very concerned with how soon people were
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going to realize what frauds we were because we know nothing about technology and we didn't know then that it was okay
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but we were we don't didn't even know the vocabulary like I hadn't heard of a of of an SOP or an AI what is it a API
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any of Hunter and I didn't even know the words but here we both are now like
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we've been part of these supportive communities and now you know he has a thriving business i have a thriving
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business we have She Leads AI and here we are on this podcast with you like and I'm sure Hunter will reiterate like and
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this is a perfect lesson for people who are listening who are like not sure about diving in hunter and I have no
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tech background zero and look where we are right now
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i was like not ready to come on wow hello i didn't I didn't realize that you didn't know what the term API meant and
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that's we we just that that's unacceptable hunter welcome i'm so excited to have
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you here thank you Kyle i'm happy to be here hi Ann good to see you hi Hunter i
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know so so I think it's I think it's so important i mean one of the reasons I started AI salon
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um was that for for me ChateBT represented the first AI and
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machine learning technology that the 99% of people who were not programmers and
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engineers could take advantage of this stuff and like that's a lot more 99 is a
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lot more than one um there's a lot more of us than there are of engineers and so I think the fact that that a big part of
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your bonding is around the fact that maybe you weren't technical i think that's that's why this is such a
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remarkable time in history so welcome i'm I'm so excited to have you here and hear about your journey yeah uh thank
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you that really I completely agree i didn't know like Ann said like I didn't know any of those terms and you know I
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would always consider myself like I was techie but I wasn't technical right I
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liked the gadgets I remember when I was a little kid my dad got me that thing where you like connect these wires and a
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little light bulb turns on you know like this is great you know sounds one electrical kit or whatever it was right
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yeah yeah yeah exactly and like I you know grew up in sort of a even though I
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grew up in LA i grew up in a rural part of LA so there was like goats and horses and chickens and very loud donkey down
32:29
the street you know like that kind of vibe and I saved enough money when I was 13
32:38
to buy my first computer and I bought a Mac it was a G3
32:45
Tower tower yeah yeah it was like that kind of like aqua and Yeah and you could
32:51
like open up the door the door would open door would open and you'd be like I can put in RAM you know had to pay extra
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for a modem to connect to the internet that That's exactly right that was that
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was all the big deals right calling having your computer 50 bucks more to connect to the internet that I had in
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myself wow amazing so so why don't you tell us
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give us a little bit of background you know tell us who you are what you're doing right now and and let's just sort of open up the conversation yeah for
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sure so like Ann mentioned I went to I trained that's my dog
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barking away there francis Francis
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um because he likes to prance when he runs it's just like like this it's always just like so
33:51
fancy so I went to clown school can you tell about to say I went to acting
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school and so I was a trained actor at a very early age i was acting in plays
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and I had auditions for film when I was very young and then I got very freaked out because I was very very scared
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actually and I was kind of a shy kid you know i later learned that I'm a an uh
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I'm an somewhat of an introvert in sheep's clothing as an extrovert and I went to school for
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acting i've done Broadway i do some TV now and then nice work if you can get it
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and I've also worked concurrently as a photographer for 20 years uh still
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photographer taking pictures and so that gave me an a taste for natural lighting
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and portraiture and connecting with people and telling stories through
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visual mediums and trying to find the best in everybody
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you know so many people would say "Oh I don't photograph well." I was like "Uh I don't think that's true i think you
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haven't had a good photographer that knows your vibe." Um and my whole goal whenever I took
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actor head shot or portraits was to break people's photo face you know like
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everyone's like my one angle and my whole goal was
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to like okay let's get that done in at in the beginning uh and then let's let's
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not do that anymore we'll take the real Yeah i mean the oldest trick in the book is
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like I'm just going to do a couple test shots and make sure I got the the settings right and then 45 minutes later
35:37
we're halfway through the session right you know we never start it right because once we feel like we're on we got to
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like do certain things we have to sound and look a certain way y
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and now I I do that with video i do that with video i do it remotely uh not too unlike what you've been creating over
35:56
there with StoryVine Kyle which I'm excited to riff on that because there's a lot of synchronicity there but you've
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been in the game for a minute so I'd love to learn and steal as much as possible from you on this call if you're
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willing happy to share every everything I've learned but you know the the at the
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core of what you're doing at Plum Wheel and the core of what we're doing at StoryVine and what Ann and I were
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talking about is authenticity yeah and I feel like I you know there's a funny
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thing I'm curious as your as to your take on this because you know as as someone also who comes from an arts
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background human experience is essentially what we
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were trained on and empathy and connection and things like that and on the surface if you look at AI you know
36:45
the the the tropes are the robots are going to kill us and it's this cold stuff that's going to replace creativity
36:50
and replace human connection i'm finding the opposite to be true and I'm just curious i I feel like
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authenticity is going to continue to increase as these AI tools you know proliferate lots and lots of content um
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but I'm just curious like share your experience with you know human connection and like the the relationship
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between AI and human connection because I I just it's something I find deeply
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fascinating because I find it counterintuitive from what what my expectations were yeah same
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and also I think there's a um there's the authenticity and the
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human connection i think the other thing that's a big piece of it for me is human creativity
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and it's easy to uh think that oh you know just type in a
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prompt now and anyone can make AI art or whatever and everyone said the same
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thing when you could take pictures on your phone about photography right
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the same thing happened and now it's happening on steroids and at scale in a
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way that's unprecedented so it is changing our relationship to
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creativity and how we put ourselves out
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there in that way and for me there was a big unlock because as also another
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ADHDer uh I have a lot of ideas bouncing around all the time this way it's just a
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way to get a bunch of ideas organized in a way that I could never organize in 40
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years of my life and then suddenly get them out of your head get them out yes
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yeah like in like I was listening to you speak earlier Shannon uh Shannon Kyle
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Shannon I'm gonna say Kyle Shannon O'Brien
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yeah about uh using it as like a now the multimodal thing where it's like oh I
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can start with a picture or I can start with some writing or I could talk to it like there's all these different ways to
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go in and out with creativity and that really got my juices flowing in a way that I was like oh I don't have to be
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the best at every type of art form but now I have this co-pilot that can help
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me bring my ideas to life and that was like a big shift for me i was like "Oh
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there's new ways for me to be authentic." Right now yeah right there's new ways oh yeah
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yeah well it's you know it's funny the in a lot of ways I I talk with my
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wife about this a lot with she's a painter and you know in a lot of ways
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art you know art is about you have the intention but but in some ways art is about the moment when you stop when you
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choose to stop and put it in the world right it's it's the choice of saying ah this is something I want to share with
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the world and what I'm finding with AI is I can I can get a lot more of those
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to the point that I'm like "Oh I want to share this with the world." You know what I mean it's like there's there's
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there's just a a prolificness but it's still it's still on me to go you know is
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it art right is it soup yet right how does it smell little more salt
40:15
little more pepper exactly right spice need a little kick to it this one yeah
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okay i I want to so I wrote down authenticity at scale after after that
40:28
you got well while you guys were talking and I remembered something I saw after a conversation that Hunter you had had
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with some of the women in She Leads AI last week um we were talking about authenticity and making content and be
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able to being able to share it with the world and someone asked me is it still
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authentic if you are sharing it like over and over and over
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again and I would love to hear what you think about it in and and Kyle too like
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in terms of art is it only authentic the first time and the rest of the time is
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just a regurgitation or is it still authentic can your How does your
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authenticity scale can your authenticity scale i love that you know the first thing I
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think of is doing a play as an actor right i did a show on on Broadway at
41:23
Lincoln Center for a year so I did that show almost what like 600 times
41:29
eight shows a week something like that maybe it's less than that but you know I once caught a fish this big so maybe I
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don't know maybe it was less but the the tapping into what's real in that
41:41
moment as if I was doing it for the first time as if I was sharing it for the first time as if I was feeling it
41:47
for the first time so I think it's about how we show up so if we're autopiloting being if
41:54
we're on autopilot then yeah then it probably isn't authentic or real or
41:59
interesting but if I can find something new to connect to I don't have
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to I don't have to be reinventing the wheel every time for it to land you know
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and there's a new there's a new audience there's a new listener there's a new receiver and so it's maybe the first
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time that they're hearing it or seeing it or hear me say it right so I think it's about showing up in a way that is
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true to yourself and then people connect to that yeah that's that's what I was saying an earlier about you know having
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having a strong creative point of view if it's authentic to your point of view
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and it it represents who you are or who you were in that moment then I think that's authentic and you know to your
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point Hunter you know someone seeing it for the first time you know you might be like "Oh this may maybe it's lost its
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shine to you or it's it's it you know the excitement." But you know you know for me when that excitement gets
42:59
re-energized is if I show something to someone that I've I've grown weary of and they look at it and they're like "Oh
43:06
my god that's revelatory." Then you're like "Oh right." Yeah that was revvelatory for me once too right so I
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think there's I think what you're talking about an or something around the connection to the thing yeah that can be
43:19
fleeting but it can also be re-energized absolutely and again it goes back to the authenticity piece i think is about the
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people you interact with not about the artifacts you create
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that's good yeah it's like the community aspect that you were speaking to before I came on of that garden right you know
43:38
it's like old Zen saying chop wood and carry water right you know you just got
43:44
to keep doing it and it's it's also like think about every show you've ever done like you probably don't remember the
43:50
lines or the set or the costume you wore you probably remember the people you worked with and the moment in the green
43:56
room you know when Sally threw up before she went you know it's like poor Sally i
44:02
love her she really meant well but she's just always had a sour stomach you know
44:09
oh bless Sally bless her if you didn't know audience I'm Sally it's
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me my code name backstage in the green room
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oh man hunter can you talk a little bit about um and you know we're gonna we're gonna ask you some some of our questions
44:29
that we ask all of our guests but before that can you talk a little bit about
44:34
um overwhelm because I've I've really been fascinated
44:41
watching your journey what rabbit holes you went down
44:47
some of the same rabbit holes that attracted both of us and then there's other rabbit holes that I went down and
44:53
I feel like in some ways I've been kind of like I've been like you know like give it to Mikey he he'll eat anything
45:00
sort of like if if if Hunter likes it I'm going to wait he's going to go down that rabbit hole and if if Hunter keeps
45:06
doing it it's it's probably good and I should start paying attention to it but until he comes back and tells me I'm
45:13
just gonna let him be out there doing it yes i call that my AI ravens your AI
45:19
ravens yes i send my ravens yes i'll be like talk yeah talk on that yeah yeah
45:26
for sure because it's like there are too many tools right there are way too many tools and everything's like built on the
45:31
foundation of these large language models so they're all like we're not necessarily rappers but it's like we're
45:36
not building stuff from scratch and that's the beauty of AI so I'll see you
45:41
know I'm on a few newsletters and then I'll send it be like "Oh that tool looks cool oh yeah uh I'm going to send that."
45:47
That's like something that Kyle does or likes that's in Kyle's wheelhouse so I'm
45:53
gonna go send that tool and be like "Hey I thought of you let me know how it is." Because I didn't Whoa that's smart like
45:59
if it's vetted by other people like on a newsletter that I respect or something I'll be like I don't have enough time in
46:05
the day but I'll just send it to the right people and then if they have time and see what comes back
46:12
yeah that's really smart they're my my my free R&D department yeah use your friends as your free R&D
46:20
well I again I mean that goes back to the value of community i mean it's it's because
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if you're in a community like you know the salon or she leads AI or or or you
46:32
know any of them Rachel's community the the power of it is that there are so
46:38
many different points of view that that even if you and I have similar technical backgrounds you're going to be looking
46:45
at these tools through a different lens than I am right or or you know Jim Ross who manages storage facilities looks at
46:52
it through a very different lens right and and being able to see what people
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value um is I I think it's the only way to keep up in any way because it is it's
47:04
completely overwhelming yeah yeah yeah the overwhelm is the
47:11
overwhelm the overwhelm is real you know and I feel like you go through cycles right like you were saying like oh
47:17
there'll be a whole new slew of things that come out like oh boy here we go like I just went down the whole vibe
47:23
coding rabbit hole for like weekends and now I'm like cool now I know what it's
47:29
like not my lane again again again here
47:34
we are again i'll tell you what I think that and if
47:39
you haven't played Lovable Lovable is the one that's I spent I spent two weekends in Lovable yeah yeah it's it's
47:46
it's maddening but like I had Lovable for the first time two nights ago um
47:52
I've been trying to do an Asteroids clone you know from the original arcade game for months and they just always
47:58
suck and two nights ago Lovable because they they came out with version 2.0 i
48:04
one shot it in asteroids that was brilliant and and so I think I think I
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think I literally started it two weeks ago i should have waited two weeks until like like like I kind of feel like but
48:16
you the the way you characterize it of like checking in on these tools like that feels right to me because they do
48:23
keep evolving so at some point you're going to check back into something and go "Oh [ __ ] it can do it now." Yeah
48:29
right yeah yeah i don't have to like wrestle it to the floor and then I get it to work and then I move its pinky and
48:36
it's like I my entire body is broken and I'm like how what I just like blew on
48:42
your direction and it's like a house of cards and it just completely collapses i know could you make this corner more
48:48
round and it it completely rewrites the thing right yeah i call it spaghetti coding like you like do something and it
48:56
like gets kind of far and then it kind of forgets what it's doing and it's like but what if we like completely did it a
49:02
different way midstream and it's like that's not a good idea now the code is just like spaghetti it's crazy
49:10
that's [ __ ] awesome just awesome um okay so let's jump in let's let's uh let's get to our questions
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you ready I'll do number one okay what was the tipping point where you knew you
49:25
had to go all in on a AI like you sound like you've got a similar background or you've got you know sort of the arts and
49:31
the technical thing and and you were comfortable weaving between those you know what was the point at which for you
49:36
you were like oh this AI stuff's different and I need to go all in on it and then what's it been like since then
49:43
the second I tried the paid version of chat GBT when it came out so there was the first there was like the free but
49:50
like that first month I like tried the free version and I was like okay yeah
49:56
cool chatbot like all right whatever and a buddy of mine is like no you got did you pay for it or did you use free
50:02
version I was like I do the free version he's like throw 20 bucks at it and then talk to me and I was like okay and I was like oh my god and I went in and I never
50:09
came out wow and what was different about it
50:16
so I am dyslexic and ADHD HD
50:23
and I started bouncing off ideas of different like characters that I've had
50:30
in mind and a screenplay like seedling
50:36
just like a little glimmer of an idea and then in two days I had an outline or
50:42
like in in one day and a couple hours I had an outline and then in two weeks I had a first draft i was like "This is
50:50
bananas." Yeah and what was so wild was simultaneously I was about to be on
50:56
strike as a SAG actor and then I was and I was like on the
51:02
picket lines and using chat GBT because I wasn't like picketing we need to put
51:08
this back in the bottle because I knew there was no going back i was like we need I'm fighting for legislation yeah
51:15
and accountability which I still don't think we have and I mean you know very well you're going to Washington you just
51:21
mentioned do things but that was you know we were talking about AI avatars
51:27
then because CGI is not new in my community right but now I was like
51:34
everybody this is going to be your life in a year and they're like oh whatever was like now hello here we are right
51:40
here we are yeah yeah exactly the producers guild what they want to pay $200 for Lifetime likeness licensing
51:46
right i was like are you out of your freaking mind i want my residual checks for 42 cents like perpetuility
51:56
for anyone that doesn't know residual checks is after you do something and um they can be a silly small amount when
52:03
you after it runs for a few years but yeah to buy out my human likeness for
52:12
life for a couple hundred bucks that's outrageous and we knew that was
52:17
outrageous and so we put some guardrails on so at the same time I was navigating
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oh this is really messed up and this is about to change everything forever so
52:30
the the balance how do you how do you reconcile the difference between you
52:37
know AI is a complete threat to you know some of the professions you've spent most of your life you know at least if
52:45
not in the middle of and the fact that AI is this incredibly empowering tool
52:51
for creative expression like it's both it's a dessert topping and a floor wax so how do you how do you balance those
52:57
two what was What was that sorry it's a dessert topping and a floor wax oh sorry
53:02
i guess I'm showing my age here that was an old SNL skit with Dan Akroyd where it was it was one of those fake SNL
53:09
commercials where it's a dessert topping and a floor wax anyway I love it that's
53:16
great it was in the basomatic era
53:21
basomatic disgusting so anyway how do you how do you bal how do you reconcile or how do you balance those those two
53:28
things both can be true yeah yeah both are true right now right so for me when
53:36
I first started using AI and I was very public about it and we on strike I got a
53:42
lot of backlash from my artist friends i'm sure I imagine you got some as well we probably all did in our respective
53:48
communities if you're some of the early work learners y um
53:57
and so there are certain tools that I still am like I don't know if I can
54:02
really deploy using that i will experiment with certain things
54:08
i'm not going to yuck anyone else's yum you know i won't say which ones they are but it's just sometimes I'm like that
54:15
doesn't really pass the ethical sniff check for me right now and they're going
54:21
to make a deal or they'll implode or we'll lose like it's like going to be one of those three things but it ain't
54:28
going away right it's not going away none of it's going away so for me I can
54:34
look at the before and after of me using AI which is I am doing more creative
54:40
projects than I was before so for me as someone that's embraced it
54:45
and is using it on a personal level I can do more expression more creation
54:54
more ideation more seeing what works and maybe
55:00
spending less time on something if I'm like "Oh you know what shininess wore off i'm gonna actually go work on this
55:06
other thing instead." Yeah yeah yeah yeah i think it's smart that you're experimenting with the things where even
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like it I my my POV is it's smarter to at least know where the technology is
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right so the fact that you're experimenting with the stuff that you might not go there but at least know where the where the tech is right yeah I
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agree and that way I can see where the tech is going to be in a few months yeah
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yeah yeah because when when like 03 came out and all this like at the beginning of this year when all these things came
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out I didn't want to be a jerk about it with people and I'm like "Yeah none of that is new that's just them putting all
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of the things they've been working on into a new package better." But I was not surprised by any of it yeah yeah
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yeah because I just am following it and then I can be like "Oh okay this helps
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me plan ahead for my business to be like cool." So I don't need to go build X Y
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and Z because I can see that this multibillion dollar company is going to
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go build it and I'm going to plug into it when it's ready so let me focus on
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the things that they cannot build which I am uniquely qualified to bring to the
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people I work with that I coach that I'm interacting with that I am on the journey with that's what I can bring to
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it and then I'm just gonna kind of like plug in to the word I didn't know before I met an APIs all the APIs now I'm an
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API junkie i learned that from our f friend Tyler Fisk i'm like do they have an API do they have integrations no
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i I hate to break it to you but the MCPs are the new APIs well yeah it's true no
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I know i know everyone's stop using jargon i just want to understand what
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you're talking about i used to be that person and I was talking to my friend and he's like "Dude I don't know what you just said." And I was like "No I'm
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one of those people." We're one of those people um Hunter so now we have this question
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that for some guests it's easier to ask than others because the question is about in your in your area of expertise
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what AI trends are you paying attention to in your case which we first need to
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know which area of expertise you're going to focus on so you have a number of things that you're good at and that
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you spent time in what from choose one of those m like right now you're like
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full on the founder journey right but you're also on the content creation and getting people over humps and and now
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you're also you know get doing auditions again so from your from some vantage point in your life what is the AI trend
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you're paying the most attention to right now yeah well I think the thing that all of those share is in the tent
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of media you know I'm under the entertainment media content tent
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perhaps we love a dad pun around here this
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mustache for no reason so for me the the tent is content and
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media and so and now very much in the realm of
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video but the thing I was thinking about before I came on because it just
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happened and I think it's it's not the first time it happened but it's just it's happened again is the
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transparency when using tools and AI tools for content
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creation and the lack of transparency so there
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was this thing that happened in the news a week or two ago did you hear about the radio station in Australia i just read
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about it right before we came on there you go there you go so it just happened did you hear about this Ann no what is
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it okay so there's this Kata Kada i don't know how to say it but CAD uh and it was it's a radio station
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that had been using uh they cloned someone that worked at
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the company's voice in 11 Labs and they had been broadcasting a radio station
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since November and they never disclosed that it was an AI DJ oh and it just No
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one knew nobody knew no one knew the DJ's name was thy though so I
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mean like okay if you're paying attention that's But you know maybe they're Gen Z i don't
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know but it just broke and now everyone's like "Well this is terrible."
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And so what's there's a lot of backlash there's now it's you know sparking the
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debate around legislation again the voice actors union over there was like
::up in arms for me when it comes to content creation and media and videos
::and voiceovers it's if you're not if you're
::in a in a situation where you probably should be disclosing it then you should
::right because not all not all platforms are made equal you know if I'm entering
::a space that's like an AI space I'm like well I'm going to assume there's like there's probably AI things going on but
::if it's like content creation for yourself or broadcasting I think it said they had like 72,000 listeners right i'm
::going to want to know because then when I found out later then I feel like I'm being lied to and there's
::Exactly there's also something for me I'm curious to your thoughts on this there's something for me about
::um I if I'm doing something that is going to take someone's job away right
::that's different than if I'm creating a podcast that would have not existed
::anywhere before like there there are times where I might create a song where I just create a song for a single person
::and I send it to them that right I would have never hired a musician to make that song right so there's there there are
::yeah context is really important in this I think but I think I think your point is that the
::the lines are incredibly blurry and I think they're going to get blurriier and blurriier
::i agree i agree yeah because it's it's tricky right because there's so many
::jobs that are going away by making these tools and using these tools and there's
::that's just that's what's happening there's no way around it um
::do you think that there are going to be new job well I I know there are going to be but I'm curious like are you starting
::to see where there might be new kinds of jobs that that didn't exist before in
::the entertainment industry yeah I think it's still very early days i
::think there's a lot of fear still
::and in I think this year as we're seeing and especially I know you both know like
::2025 is the year of AI video going to the next level and graphics and all of
::that stuff you know uh my buddy David Wexler who's been doing this sort of 3D
::graphic stuff for years he's been saying for for a while now he's like "Well soon
::any middle schooler is going to be able to make a Marvel movie from their bedroom." And we're pretty much there
::now like that's kind of what's happening yep and I there's a part of me kind of like
::you were saying that's like oh I made a song for my friend that was like you know a Broadway musical sound or
::whatever i couldn't have paid $100,000 for one track from my friend if you can afford that good for you i'm glad NFTts
::worked out for you but exactly but for the rest of us it's a way to get
::things out there and I think there's actually it's the just like coding and creativity there's a lower barrier of
::entry for someone to be like I have an idea for a movie and you're like a kid you know i used to love shooting movies
::with my friends and we would do it you know and then I bought that G3 and then I was editing with my buddy David Wexler
::like we were making 3D graphics and stuff and it was like it became more accessible and now you can have like studio quality stuff that's way more
::accessible yep yeah and then on the flip side of it then it's like well are you not hiring graphic artists and all these
::people and those people if you're like you were saying
::earlier when you're you're expert in your niche those are the people that are going to be guiding these new systems
::and those are the people that are going to be like uh no that's that one's not good don't do that you didn't notice
::that i mean this is not really a problem anymore it's like nobody noticed that person has six fingers like really like nobody saw that that doesn't look good
::you know and it'll there'll be more minutia like that it'll look and look better but soon it'll just be like right
::make the movie and it's like well we need some like shaping of the story structure yeah um all right let me ask
::you the the last question here and this is this is a fun one so you know it's the AI readiness project um what does AI
::readiness mean to you and what's your advice for someone trying to figure out how They
::get into this world curiosity
::means curiosity for me to let down what we think about
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::and an exploration right to just kind of muck around and find out
::and I think what you were saying earlier is community is connecting with people and
::sharing what you're up to with it because then we get to learn from each other and I feel like it's it was it
::felt like a light switch where like everyone was like freaked out by the thing and now everyone's like "Oh let's
::ask Jack GBT." You know it's like it really seemed like it happened overnight i blinked and now everyone's using it
::yeah right so it's still not everyone but I feel like the the rings in the in in the tree
::like expanded right yeah they're they're rippling out yeah yeah so be
::curious try things and Yeah just bring as much of
::yourself to it if you're willing i think that was huge right that that
::actually ties it back to the authenticity thing I think right you know play with it understand what it is but bring yourself to it bring your
::point of view bring your creative vision whatever it might be right
::perfect segue hunter can you talk to the nice people about what you're doing right now we've talked you know we
::started I started by teasing you know how you and I got into this accountability group and we didn't know
::the vocabulary words at the time yeah even though I was you know old school Carmen Carmen San Diego with my Apple 2e
::in the living room and you were mowing lawns so that you could buy your first computer but nonetheless here we are and
::then you know the eras that we've gone through and the things that that we've watched our friend
::friends do in AI come back to us and we try it on and see if it fits and then a
::couple weekends later we go me maybe not yeah yeah
::because we do have the luxury in some ways of of going down those rabbit holes um but how does it all come together to
::what you're doing right now with Plum Wheel and I know that many many many of the nice people out there are going to
::be very interested because so many of us have thought leadership that we want
::to share with the world but we have 8,000 million reasons why we're not doing it so
::well thank you yeah well it was so fun thank you for the opportunity for today and a couple weeks ago when I got to be
::with your your girlies I think as you called them they're amazing uh very incredible women and that friction point
::of just as we said in that workshop which I love was clicking that darn red
::button that record button right of talking to that weird void of the camera
::it's like very weird to be like "Okay let me talk about me now." and you know and it's cringe or uncomfortable or
::whatever it is and just getting over that from that zero to one point is the
::biggest hurdle i love the analogy you used an on that which is the the hardest
::part about going to the gym is getting from the couch to the doororknob
::the rest is easy right you know to the record button
::it's a shorter distance but boy are my fingers tired
::so helping people get over that first step you know because it there's so much
::other stuff that goes on after and you know Kyle's been in this game a long time with all of the editing and all of
::that stuff put together and getting it out there and now we're seeing a lot of tools that are doing that and that's
::awesome it's building out it's removing the friction right it's like releasing the the the entry the bearer of entry
::right so for me what I really love is conversation as you can probably tell like I'm loving talking to you i love
::breaking through to people i love asking questions i love learning about them and I love going back to my photography days
::where it's like yeah you're great on camera you just needed someone to talk to and for me I think it's as easy as that
::and we got really comfortable with or it became normalized to hop on a
::call like this a Zoom call and whatever Streamyard call wherever we are uh
::during the pandemic and that like was a new barrier of entry that was lowered and we could come in and for me creating
::content should be as easy as talking to a friend or someone that you're comfortable with and that's what I love
::to do i love to get in there and learn about what you do and then yeah I have
::my own automation workflow stuff and we can plug in all the fancy bells and whistles or I can help you learn how to
::do that and some capacity a little DIY but what's most interesting to me is to
::be there with you and then we'll do all the other stuff right so you you give them you give them
::the uh the authenticity on ramp and then yeah the content the content just
::naturally comes from that right because like you just need someone being who
::they are and and if you pull that out of them and make it safe then that's awesome and then that's basic offering
::right they sit and talk with you for a bit and then out comes a bunch of content they can sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh sh share with the world
::yeah and actually we do it end to end so we'll post it out for you on all our platforms as well so show up with me for
::an hour you get a month of content if that's if you want the elevator pitch I'm available you can go to
::plumwheel.com there you go we can talk bring it in here Bob hey Bob i got this
::Plum Wheel thing not sure about the name but you know this Hunter guy he's all right
::ann's like I did not go to acting school get me out of here do you realize Ann this is what like hanging out with
::actors was like all the time just it's pretty much what it is i feel like I've walked
::into a Twilight Zone right now i'm like who's who's Bob what
::snl skit waiting to happen very much exactly yeah people that commit to the
::bit i can see that Kyle commits oh Kyle can commit to it i mean some of these bits have been going on for three years
::that sounds exhausting and definitely everyone around me it's exhausting for everyone watching they're like "Really
::we're doing this one again?" "Oh that one." I think you write some new jokes you know what that what that reminds me
::of i know we got to go but like when when when Kyle pulls out a box and everyone in the chat goes "Oh no it's
::the box." Oh see no it's the box metaphors again no how explain large
::language models right there buddy someday if you're nice enough I'll I'll I'll let you in on the the box metaphor
::oh my gosh i can't help but This is a total nerd reference but when I hear that I think of a terrifying movie
::what's in the box do you know what that's from that's from Kyle oh it's from the movie Seven
::about like what's in the box in the box we say it all it's horrible i won't even
::tell you what it's referring to yeah no that that I know now that I know the reference I know what's in the box so yeah so it's an LLM apparently
::it's a large language model all of the knowledge of the world right there um well this has been an absolute
::pleasure Hunter we got to bring you back this was this was awesome anytime anytime i love that I can do this with
::you too i really appreciate the opportunity and learn from you and riff and have a good time so thank you
::awesome all right same i'll see you soon bye bye bye
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e i love that I can do this with
::you too i really appreciate the opportunity and learn from you and riff and have a good time so thank you
::awesome all right same i'll see you soon bye bye bye
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