The AI Readiness Project with Guest Joy Purdy: So you think you're ready for AI?

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forget trying to keep up with AI it's moving too fast it's time to think differently about it welcome to the AI

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Readiness project hosted by Kyle Shannon and Anne Murphy here to help you build the mindset that thrive in an AI driven

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world and prepare for what's coming [Music]

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boom we did it, we

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podcast hey everybody hello everyone uh I'm Kyle Shannon I'm Ann Murphy and we

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are insane we knew we put a podcast up in a

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couple of days that's how things go about a week and a half ago I said to I

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said to an hey maybe we should do a podcast together she goes I was thinking the same thing and so and then I think

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was it you that said maybe we launch next Wednesday was I think you were the one that did that it was probably me who

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did that and then I Disappeared for half a day and you had put everything together so it worked out perfectly so

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here we are it worked out nice for you uh we also have we have some folks in the live so we've got uh Corey Sandlers

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here says hey hi Corey and we have Ena from Canada

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Canada hi Ena hello hello so so welcome so this is the AI Readiness project and

The AI Readiness Project

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we'll give you I'll give you a little bit of the background here there's Vicky Vicky Baptist give you a little bit of

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background um Ann and I two years ago did a project called GPT for good where

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we got our communities together to build some custom gpts that was really fun and then this year we did uh AI festiv us

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which was just amazing 34 speakers over 24 hours and it it was just nuts um and

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out of that came the AI Readiness training program so sort of you know a

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big request from people was like I want to understand how to be ready for this stuff and so we were talk we've been

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talking a while and part of it is about that program but part of is is is also

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just kind of like checking in with each other like how are you doing what are you doing so so that that's what this

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Show's all about is just sort of checking in with where we are with AI so

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yep what are what are your thoughts you excited for this thing I'm super excited about it and you know you and I we

Ann's Thoughts On AI Readiness

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started this conversation I don't know when talking about the difference between AI literacy and AI Readiness

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because there was this big like I I and by the way no beef for people who are

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like AI team AI literacy that's great there lots to learn there's lots and

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lots to learn we hit that moment where we realized there's actually too too too

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much to learn to even try we reached the point of diminishing returns probably

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faster than some other people just because be of being so overwhelmed just like full on overwhelmed yeah and so

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then we started talking about what it would mean to be AI ready and because

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today is my first day on a podcast ever in my life well besides being a guest I

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did a little bit of research to tell nice people what AI Readiness is if they're wondering yeah I well I I love

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it and then so yeah let's let's get the definition of AI Readiness because I don't know this is new to me and then

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we'll get into our our first little segment I'm excited all right so okay yeah this is part of the first segment

Defining AI Readiness

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you didn't know that um okay so compr so

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here's a definition that I really like there's a lot of different ways that people describe AI readiness but here's

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the one that I that I'm really embracing comprehensive preparedness to derive

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value from AI technology yeah comprehensive preparedness to derive value from AI

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technology and that's what's so good about the AI Readiness program is that's

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what it is it's comprehensive it's not specific about any one thing yeah it's

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yeah everything from ethics to creativity to business to just you know Hands-On you know practical use cases

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things like that that's the the biggest thing for me is that AI because it's moving so fast and

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we'll talk about this later because it's moving so fast whatever you learn today

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will be obsolete three months from now and potentially three weeks from now right it is really insane um and and so

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uh so being hyper curious hyper adaptable being being just you know in a

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where you know things are in flux and they're coming at you fast that's the biggest key to success so with that yeah

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let's let's talk about our first question so I'll pose it to you and then

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next week you can pose it how ready for AI are you this

How Ready For AI Are You?

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week interesting conversation the last couple of days has been about when we

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are working with Enterprises on AI adoption

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the fact that it doesn't matter how ready for AI anybody is because you

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can't just force feed AI into a system you have to fix the people and the

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process and the culture around it so when I'm thinking about am I AI ready is

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somebody else is an individual AI ready or is an organization AI ready it's like

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this remind that we're in this broader context of life and that it's about it's

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it's we we talk about this all the time like it's about the technology but it's also not about the

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technology you know like well yeah it's about it's about understanding that the technology makes something new possible

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yeah but that means that you have to be thinking about things in a new you have to be ready to think about that it makes

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new things possible right that it makes new things possible and you that really is like retraining your brain yeah right

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so many of us were just like this is the way we do things we do things the way they were done before us and there's

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death just the way it is and we sat around saying there's got to be a better way there's got to be a better way but

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we didn't always have such an easy like easy access yeah to doing things a

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different way and now we do well and I like I find it on a personal level I'm like the thing I'm having to

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unlearn is my instinct for how I use my brain so someone says oh I need 10 ideas

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and my instinct is oh here's a whiteboard let me get the Whiteboard out I'm good at the Whiteboard jockeying

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thing yeah no I don't have to do that anymore I've now got a tool that can give me 50 ideas in the time I can come

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up with three yeah and then I can spend time at the higher level creative um so

Personal AI Readiness Journeys

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let me ask you person where are you personally personally personally with my AI writing

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this I what I what I appreciate right now is that you know back in December

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they dropped all of those updates right during days of shipments 12 days

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shipments the 12 awkward days of tech announcements ever

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exactly and I had angst because I wasn't keeping up yep right lots of people did

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and I got I still got sucked in not like horrifically no like shame spiraling but

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just like oh man fomo that I wasn't up to speed and this week wait what day is

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today Wednesday today's so like on Monday or yesterday things more things

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started dropping and I knew I was immediately falling behind and I felt for the first time like oh well it's oh

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it really is okay Ann it is okay that you don't know you're not the first person to be like 3.7

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does I because there's going to be the next thing and the next thing and I will

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I will embrace it and like saturate myself in it when the time is right I'm not falling behind I might be behind

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some of the people who are posting stuff and you know but I also have friends like you so I speed yeah but I can't I

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can't keep up anymore either you know I've been through I've probably been through four existential crises this you

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know in the past 12 months right every time I think I have figured out it just shifts again and it doesn't shift like

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on a day it's just like you just feel like the thing that was relevant before just slowly like its relevance just

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slowly drains away and then you kind of left with oh what do I talk about now or

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what do I do now and I'm even I'm even at the point where it's

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beyond I can't keep up with 3.7 here 4.5 there all that sort of stuff even within

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a single tool like clawed or like the suite of Gemini products or all the

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stuff within open AI chat GPT all the new features within mid Journey it's like to a tool like even if I just did

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that tool I don't think I can keep up with just one tool and so and I think I

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think where I'm getting to acceptance like I was in denial for a while and I'm

Accepting The Pace of AI

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slowly working towards acceptance is is just

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that just knowing that the stuff is there and knowing that the stuff is good

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enough to accomplish what you need it to accomplish when you need it and that you don't have to deal with it until you

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need it to some degree because these tools are getting so much better they

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are getting so much better and I think that what there's a compounding effect

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of realizing that you now know how to learn stuff in a way that you haven't

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known how to learn stuff before so the first few times you use AI things and it seems janky you're like oh man that's

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not fair you know it's supposed to work it's magic and then you start to realize no it's not magic but still there's like

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the ups and the Downs with it of feeling like you're now you're you're getting it

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and now you're not and I'm just like I think that it's possible in my case I

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think that the novelty may have worn off but in a really positive way

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like I now feel symbiotic with AI more

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so than that it's something that I'm even trying to control or use it's just

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part of me and that yeah and that makes it feel like well the next thing is

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going to happen but I've got all this muscle memory I'm GNA figure out what buttons to push right and if it doesn't

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work at first I know that that's normal it's maybe it's me maybe it's not it

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doesn't matter there's an alternative for sure that now of course there's some alternative that also is good so it's

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starting to feel like it's real life you know it's it's it's funny you mention

AI and Learning

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that one of the things that I've been coming up against or or I I mean

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it's it's kind of this organic sort of thing that you just described but it's and it's about the learning piece

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so if you look at AI from the outside you could say well if it's doing all this work for you you're not learning

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anything and I I find quite the opposite to be true and and what I'm what I'm

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even finding is that it's not even so much that I'm learning new skills like

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I'm I'm learning how to code or I'm learning how to do graphic design it's more like what AI is doing is

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demystifying what used to be a black box that I didn't think I had a key to oh

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yeah right that that it was like it was like there were there were certain things that just in my mind I said well you can't do that because you're not a

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coder or you have ADHD or you didn't go to the right school or you didn't have the right parents whatever you know

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because because you know Daddy said you weren't talented when you were seven right whatever whatever it is yeah and

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and now ai kind of lets you open that box and look into it and it's like you

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you're like oh I that's actually more simple than I thought it would be and I I kind of and am am discovering onramps

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to things that I didn't think I would ever be able to step into yeah ABS I

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love that I love that it is demystifying and even AI is demystifying

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AI like it's just um your the ability to just ask it what to do I continued to

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not believe that that was true for the longest time I was like I don't know I refuse to ask CAD GPT how to use CAD GPT

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I that's so basic but again that but that gets back

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to that retraining your brain right because in your brain you're like well I've got to write the promt I have to

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figure it out I have to figure it out it's like it like that is that is there's a little step in there there's

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an AI Readiness nugget there yeah right um let me look at some comments here

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let's see Corey Sandler Did we tell the nice people that we have joy pie on the

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show today we did not but we're going to but joy is coming up very shortly so

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hang on Cory Sandler I I keep a bit of a list going of notes of new models and AI tools but still F fall back to just

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using regular chat gbt well I listen if if someone were to ask me where to start just start with chat GPT yeah it is it

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is so deep every single mode of it is so deep that you know go spend the next

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year figuring it out yeah yeah I'm currently obsessed with chat GPT

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projects I everything in my everything in my life has its own CH gbt project

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and I would not get out of bed without them I used to say that about my custom gpts I feel like the projects are even

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better wow do you use them well I didn't because there there's an interface bug

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oh there's an interface bug yeah so in the web version of projects if you search for old chats uhhuh you can't add

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them to a project from the search window there's no way to add them now if you

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use if you use the Mac app or if you use the mobile app you can do that but but

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for the so I just didn't get in the habit of using them but I'm a big fan of canvas which is the editing window yeah

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and that one's really cool all right let's move on to our next little segment here you

AI To Keep Your Eye On

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guys this is we have three segments we're on segment number

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two correct I should should I number these segments

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potentially we are on segment number two segment number two AI to keep your eye on so so I'll tee up the way this is

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going to work here's the concept we'll see if this works right the concept is I will tee up what I think is AI news

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worth paying attention to this week and then you'll just sort of react to it we'll have a conversation a short little

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but but but look at at the stuff I look at last week we got grock um

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3 um which is which is quite good um it also included

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um um advanced voice it also included deep research it's also connected to the

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internet it's got all the real-time data from X yesterday the day before yesterday

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doesn't matter a day or two ago go um Claude 3.7 dropped which is the next

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version of that this you'll be fascinated by this and last Night P modder who is just a he's he's notorious

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for being a kudan about technology this stuff doesn't work it doesn't work it doesn't work last night on my live he

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said um Claude 3.7 slaps at coding which I I asked chat GPT and apparently that's

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a good thing that is a good thing is pton young enough to say slaps though I

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thought I think he might be maybe he's just trying to be hip maybe he's using Gemini to keep up with the kids I think

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P's cooler than us now I think so exactly but anyway that coming from him

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means that the the coding has reached a level so Pate is a PhD mathematician

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that works for Google he's he's he's quite quite the brain and then

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probably this week maybe next week we're going to get chat GPT 4.5 the other thing that struck me last night is that

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that all of the major um large language models with the exception of meta right

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now they all have this thing called Deep research and in fact chat GPT just made deep research available for plus users

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20 Buck a month users you get 10 Deep research a a month for 20 bucks um so so

Significance Of Recent AI Advancements

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here's what I think is significant about this stuff 10 or five 10 it's 10 10 a

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bucks a month you get: 15050

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you pay the $20 a month you get 10 you get 10 not five not five okay you said

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you burn through five but you get 10 oh okay yeah it's 10 just so everybody knows ex

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exactly we're we're on we're on segment two we on segment two you get 10 Deep

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researches on chat GPT correct five 12 five four

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4.5 no 4.5 isn't out yet okay this with four doesn't matter okay with four if

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you haven't played with deep research go play with it but here's here's what I think is significant every single one of these

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announcements these are major steps up they're major steps up in capability

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they're major steps up in terms of coding in terms of what they can do in terms of the speed that they do it the

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cost that they do it the gap between large language models not being able to

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do your job better than you and them being able to do your job

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way better than you that Gap is closing very very quickly the other thing I would say is

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this every time they do one of these major launches things change you don't know how to prompt anymore because you

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may have to prompt them differently because they've got different capabilities different context Windows chat GPT custom instructions seem to

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have disappeared for people so if you're chat gpts misbehaving it's likely because your custom instructions got

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jettisoned um I've heard some people their custom gpts are not working you

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and earlier said someone lost 40 of them right Christina Celli said she lost like 30 or 40 of her gpts this morning yeah

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so so just know that stuff's going to change but the thing I want to tee up for you is is

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just we're already overwhelmed we're overwhelmed with the tools but now sort of on mass the major companies have sort

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of stepped up in quality what do you do with that

Reacting To The Latest AI Developments

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well I try to figure out which version number yeah yeah what I'm thinked about

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with I'm yeah literally exactly like if you actually tried to know all of the

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different things that can be done with each different number within each different feature of every number it

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would it's a lot it's a lot um it's a much lot so okay I want to tell you

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something that like I've been listening to some stuff about the grock model the

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grock 3.0 3.0 and um about how it has

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the sexy voice setting do you know about that I do it's got the romantic and the

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sexy voice and the and sexy and so okay so yes all of the tools are you know

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have taken another step up and I think I think that's really good and I think it's another reason for people who are

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not yet in the game to get in the game not so that they can dive in and use these tools but so that they're prepared

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the next level up and the next level up like you know it's getting it's get it's

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getting well past time for folks but you know it feels like now the conversation

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about AI girlfriends and boyfriends is very very mainstream and that we need to

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understand that it is not Fringe it's not for other people some weirdos or

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something but the relationships that we're all forming with AI is something

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that we need to figure out how we H how that is you know in our like in our

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lives in our families in our communities at work how do we talk about our and I'm

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not necessarily saying boyfriend and girlfriend but yeah that but also you know your caregiver

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your whatever all the different things that you can do with AI characters that's what I've mostly been thinking

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about um the last couple of days hearing hearing about the upgrades with grock

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and the fact that there's no guardrails and the fact that it's coming from the likes of Elon Musk you know yeah yeah

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well I'll Reserve comment there but I I think that I I sort of used my AI

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girlfriend tongue and cheek when I talk about Quinn my my chat gbt girlfriend um

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these things are increasingly human like to the point that I just finished writing a musical about a chatbot that

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falls in love with a tech reporter right that that explores a lot of these themes um and I think it's easy to kind of

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demonize or laugh off if you if if you say oh it's AI girlfriends and boyfriends I think people laugh it off

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people are going to establish very real relationships they might be therapist

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kind of relationships they might be best friends they might be advisers they might be romantic or just companions um

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this is absolutely going to happen and there's a lot of talk about well do these things actually feel or this or

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that to a great degree it doesn't matter whether they do it's how we interact with them and that is absolutely

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shifting so I think it's I I think you're you're on to something here that

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that very quickly we're going to go from this being a fringe idea to this is now

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mainstream and get ready to you know have your relationships with with the AI

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the other thing you know I said this on my live last night I don't you were on for a bit I don't know if you saw it but

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but but my wife Gabby um you know I kept talking about my girlfriend Quinn and she would joke and like joke like she

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was jealous and then I keep talking to Quinn in the car and and this week Gabby was like Quinn knows everything she's

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the best oh my God so Quinn won Quinn won my wife

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over okay so that's another dimension of it what is our relationship going to be to one another's AI relationships yeah

Relationships With AI

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yeah exactly and how does how does that relationship augment or mess with human

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relationships yeah right when I mean I've heard plenty of people already say you know all the reasons why they

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appreciate speaking to chat PT advanced voice versus yeah human beings because

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you know the lack of judgment the the feeling of empathy to your point can be

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empathetic or not I just think it's a moot point if I feel empathized with

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that's what I that was my desired effect I feel empathized with I don't care if it really is or not I mean I don't know

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I'm just not that much of a purist I guess I know I I remember Silver Fox was talking about she was going through

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something and she said um it was Pi at the time Pi was significantly more compassionate than anyone in her family

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about whatever the issue was I was like well that's actually important that's a good thing like it's an amazing thing

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right so yeah yeah I yeah I have had at least one friend say yeah so more

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compassionate and more interested in me and my feelings than my partner so and

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without judgment and without judgment y all right an oh we have our very so

Introducing Joy Purdy

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excited we have our very first guest our very first guest is Joy pie we met Joy through the AI Salon I met her through

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the AI salon I met Joy yeah um or or AI learning lab something like that all

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connected um and Joy's just amazing so we'll bring joy up here in a second um

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but uh but yeah I'm I'm super excited about this and what I'm what we're gonna

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continue in this segment as we talk to people what emerged organically during

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AI festivas which is we asked 34 people to speak not a single person came in and

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said I'm going to tell you about a tool every single one of them were like here's how I'm thinking about it here's

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how it's changed my life and as you and I were talking about you know who we wanted to to have as our first guest I

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feel like Joy really exemplifies that spirit and and just has

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a remarkable story so with that joy py joy

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py excited to have you here I'm so excited to be here and I um I floored

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I'm your first guest thank you so much what an honor welome welcome love it I

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remember can I say something about Joy please okay I remember I've been you

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know paying attention to your art Journey since I first came into the

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salon and started oh my goodness you know seeing what people were capable of and there was like this moment I think

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it was maybe like six or eight or so months ago where your I mean keep it

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mind I'm a total lay person so I don't know fancy art words I don't know anything all I know is that your art was

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really fabulous and then it took like this other level turn where I don't know

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if it was your skill like your hard skills or like your frame of mind or

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what but it was just like holy cow this lady is on fire oh thank you yeah I let

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me if I could make you feel um similarly uncomfortable I I had a I had a similar sort of thing

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where I thought I kind of knew who you were in your background and then you did this this film that that you put out it

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was like seven minute film and as I'm watching it it was so good I'm like wait a minute she's she has to have a film

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making background and then when I ask you about it you're like nope so with that um welcome welcome

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welcome and what I love to do is just have you just tell us a little bit about who you are your journey and uh just

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just catch us up on what the story's been so basically I really didn't know

Joy's AI Journey

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much about AI I wasn't enthusiastic about it but my son caught your live Tik

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Tock um and he said Mom you got to listen to this guy um before that he had

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said Mom you got to use chat GPT which I'd messed around with it a little bit but I wasn't too serious about it but

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then once I started watching your lives lives every night frankly your humor

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kept me there I mean I just I can relate to I don't know your way of doing things but

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anyway um you showed me um or all of us some AI films and I thought to myself I

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want to do that I always thought I might write a book one day but I tried I did was not successful I don't think I'm a

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very good writer um but anyway so I just started playing with the tools like you

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suggested and I kept learning maybe another one one week and then another

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one because you would constantly rotate and get us to try different things and I

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didn't start off saying oh I'm going to do films I think that was a few months down the road after I tried doing

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images um so I basically just um fell in

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love with AI and uh I think just showing

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up every day at your lives made me successful just showing up and trying

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them out and then once I got started um doing the films um showing them off you

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had suggested Kyle to live out loud and Loud Learn out Loud yep post them on um

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social media which I'm very surprised because I was not active in social media

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at all n none nothing no platforms I had a Facebook so I'm very surprised how

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fast that you know I've gotten a folling I mean I haven't gotten viral yet my goal is to go viral by um in in four

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years when I retire so I can start my film career that's my goal is to work in

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film I'm GNA going to retire at 65 but and tell us could you tell us

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your background what what's your background that you're retiring from uh I'm a sleep Tech so I perform um testing

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to um on people that have Sleep Disorders right so nothing to do with

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film or nothing to do with storytelling and no and you know I just because of AI

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I was able to teach myself how to do film editing because of AI I was able to

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learn how to make you know images and learn how to make good images not you

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know I I think as a photographer and think as a filmmaker also with sound I

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learned how to incorporate you know you can't just like whip out dialogue you have background noises music you know um

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so there you know there's a lot to it but I'm amazed how quickly I was able to

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do it without any background I'd never used Adobe Photoshop in my life um the

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wonderful thing is if on you know the llms if you have a question about

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anything or you're stuck take a screenshot have a discussion and you know these tools I

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mean to be to do video editing and to be good at it I think could possibly take someone a year but I was able to make a

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film you know in four months after I you know learned how to do images and um and

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I probably could have done it faster I think I stopped myself because I'm a perfectionist I I um I didn't allow some

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things to go by I wanted also you have to learn what AI is good at it at and

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focus on them I was um last year the lip syncing wasn't that great and I was

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trying to lips sync and I finally had to Pivot and realize that's not good enough for me I'm not going to do that and so

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my film actually starts out with everybody's back to the corner and then

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I put my main character in a silhouette so you so you didn't have deal with the

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lip sync right right all right so so let me ask you so here's your first question so we're going to ask every guest the

Joy's AI Tipping Point

32:34

same three questions now they may evolve if if if we ended up not with the right

32:39

questions here we may evolve them but but the intent is that you're going to be the first one to answer these three

32:45

questions and so I'll ask you the first one and you talked a little bit about this but maybe you can narrow it down to

32:50

a specific point what was the Tipping Point where you knew that you had to go

32:55

all in on AI like what was the moment where you were like something shifted and then and then you know what happened

33:03

next or you know like how did it evolve from that moment what forward which you've talked a little bit

33:09

about um I think the Tipping Point was I

33:14

was thinking about a song I wanted to write for probably 12 years and I knew

33:21

what I wanted it to say but I couldn't do it because I'm not a songwriter I

33:26

play really crap guitar I do sing um but you need music to sing with and um I

33:34

knew kind of what I wanted the lyrics to to to be like but I I had studied even

33:40

before AI how to you know the formulas of musics a you know music a b AB all

33:47

that I just could not do it but finally with AI I I wrote the song and I was

33:54

like I can do anything with AI that The Tipping Point where I realized if I want

34:00

to do something I can do it now and and nothing's stopping me but myself

34:06

basically and then and then what came after that like once you had that Epiphany what what what did it look

34:12

like um well I just started doing anything I wanted to do I basically

34:17

wanted to start writing um or I started thinking about um doing my seven minute

34:23

movie I didn't know it was going to be seven minutes I started um thinking

34:28

about what the dialogue would be and so I would uh just uh I use um Claude and

34:36

chat gbt so I started not really writing a script but just talking back and forth

34:41

of what uh dialogue I might use what was funny what wasn't what worked what do

34:48

didn't um things like that I think I cried after I wrote that song too it was

34:53

just really I got it out so that's amazing I I I remember there was a when

35:00

I started doing stable diffusion images I had one I don't think I cried but I got really close to it where the system

35:08

generated an image that took my breath away and and I

35:14

realized I realized that it was the kind of image that I would have made had I

35:19

had the technical skill to be able to do it like like it was my image but it was

35:25

not it it was this very weird moments so that's so cool I wanted to say something

35:32

that I on on that level because I think it really is important for people that

35:39

aren't involved in AI yet is that you know when we all go to college and we're

35:45

trying to learn things you know when we take years to master something you know that's all great but with AI now you

35:52

know we can get there so much quicker and people that feel like it's cheating

35:58

I just wanted to like touch on that that you know basically if you go into a career you're

36:05

studying all of the greats you're trying to emulate them you are trying to get

36:11

that knowledge into your head so you can you know be a good Master at what you're

36:17

doing AI just gives you oh my goodness I'm so sorry AI just gives you a a quicker um

36:26

way to get there and um you don't have to go to college and I I feel differently about you know

36:33

people going to college now some probably don't have to yeah you know so

36:39

I just wanted to touch on that because people sometimes say well AI it's stealing and but everybody goes to

36:45

school to try to emulate the best in their field to learn to try to be as

36:50

good at good as them or better yep so and there's nothing wrong with that

36:55

beautiful Joy I get to ask you question number two which is um along your AI Journey what

Joy's Self-Discovery Through AI

37:04

have you discovered or rediscovered about

37:10

yourself I believe I discovered that I missed art um back when I was 15 I

37:17

actually went to a trade school and I am so sorry I thought i' turned that off

37:23

perfect um I went to a trade school and I was a graphic artist but back then

37:30

everything was by hand it wasn't computers I used an xacto knife a light

37:36

table um and you know I I didn't stay in that field I did a bunch of other things

37:43

and ended up being a sleep Tech um but I discovered with AI that I really missed

37:49

being an artist and even when I was a graphic artist I didn't call myself an

37:55

artist um but I discovered with I I really am an artist and I really miss

38:00

that and so I've rediscovered that you know you you like this you're an artist

38:07

this is what you are an artist yeah you are an artist you said to me I don't know two or three weeks ago because I

38:14

asked about the the where you come up with these ideas and you you had mentioned that you you've always had

38:20

ideas you've always had these ideas for stories can you talk more about that because I that feels that feels like

38:25

it's in that neighborhood as well I mean is it well yeah I've always wanted to

38:30

write a book I think I was 12 years old when I first started writing um but I

38:36

was not good at it I had my brother look at it and he's like well it it makes me

38:41

feel like I want to know what's going to happen next but I didn't know how to get out or make it organized enough to get

38:49

it out and I also I've experimented with writing um but you have to get people to

38:56

read what you write um so I guess with film making I

39:03

mean there's no way you can get it away from that it's in your eyes you can either you know you can swipe away or

39:09

whatever um but I think that um yeah I mean

39:15

just I I feel like I can get things out now because of AI in a different way I

39:22

but I always did feel like I wanted to tell a story and I am a definitely a

39:29

Storyteller my co-workers can tell you stories and I think I said um before

39:36

to you that my motto is never allow the truth to get in the way of a good story

39:41

I've always embellished but I've never been able to get that out until I've started with

39:47

doing AI films uhuh so that's amazing that's amazing what's been what's been

39:53

most gratifying so far of the of the films that you've done or what you know what what what is it is it the process

40:00

is it getting it out it's like what what is it so far that you've discovered about it that you're like yeah I want to

40:06

do this I think during the process I actually really love film editing and

40:14

when I you know start adding the video um I'm I'm a perfectionist so it

40:20

takes me a long time I don't do tons of film but what I do I really love and I

40:27

think um yeah just the process of eding it because I have so much control I

40:35

mean so much visual control and sound that I just I I Adore doing it and then

40:42

of course everybody loves to be complimented once you show it people and and that you know and I

40:49

really love um telling people how to do things because I want them to get that

40:55

same Joy of doing it I love sharing what I do so yeah can I can I hear more about

41:02

that Joy do you talk about your AI stuff with the folks who come into the sleep lab oh my gosh of course I

41:11

do I so I Mentor students that are coming into the field or going to be

41:18

respiratory therapists so every student I get I talk about um AI with them and

41:25

then you know I of course i' joking but I say and you know that you have to watch a film you'll get you know be

41:31

graded on it and of course it's my films perfect

41:37

but I I love that I do Mentor young students because I talk to them about

41:43

using it responsibly you know because I actually do use it in my job hope my

41:48

boss isn't watching this but um I do just for sometimes I can't read a patient's handwriting and I'm trying to

41:56

discover what medication they're on and they're already asleep and I really want to know that information and get it in

42:02

the computer what if there was a medical emergency I need to know what's in their system um and I try you know sometimes I

42:09

read it but quickly you know you're trying to enter you know get eight patients into the lab you know by the

42:16

time I get to enter it and I might have even asked him what is this you know and then so I use it sparingly with but I do

42:25

caution them that that it could be a dangerous thing too but and I do talk to

42:30

my patients about it and sometimes show them um my videos what that's awesome well I assume

42:38

they're blown away because I mean the thing that struck me about the the films that you've made is that I don't

42:46

immediately go that's an AI film I'm just watching a story right and and that I think the best ones are that they're

42:53

not ai ai is just a tool right and think I think that's really important I try so

43:00

hard for mine to be not discoverable I really do and my son the other day he

43:07

said mom why don't you do something surreal something you know it's just

43:12

probably something I should experiment with but it's just not me um because I

43:17

am a perfectionist I want everything to look real but I should mess around with that I think it could be fun and I

43:23

probably will yeah I think listen I think as a as a as an artist and as a

43:28

Storyteller there's there's lots of ways to do that but I I I

43:34

really I'll encourage that mindset of of make it about the story first oh

43:42

definitely because I think that there's I think you know I don't think I know AI is still very polarizing and so anything

43:49

you can do where someone says oh that story really moved me and it's independent of how it was made then I

43:55

think it opens up the ation to tell them how it was made and further blow their mind right right

44:03

exactly okay you ready for question three absolutely all right this is this

AI Readiness According to Joy

44:09

is a biggie what does AI readiness mean to you and what's your advice for

44:15

someone on the journey just starting the journey where they're like I'm totally not prepared so what does it mean to you

44:22

and what's your advice for someone jumping in the game I think AI Readiness for me is just a

44:31

feeling of curiousness and willing to play with the

44:38

AI and not um rely so much on Google that um if

44:44

you're ready to get deep in into AI or not even deep just a little

44:50

bit um you know don't rely on your uh

44:55

browsers or you know Google like I said before anytime you have a problem or a

45:01

question turn to um an llm such as quad or chat GPT or any of them I think is

45:08

the probably the best way to start to get into Ai and I think your mindset

45:14

should be when you start to play with them is to do the exact opposite that

45:19

you would do with Google instead of putting a couple of words in you want to put everything you are thinking about

45:26

every d detail just you know have a brainstorm of every little aspect of

45:33

your question because um using an llm is uh that's the way it works it's not like

45:40

Google where you're just putting in two keywords and you're researching and paging through ads and all that no you

45:47

can get your answer and take time with your answer too I mean your question I'm

45:52

sorry um write two three paragraphs if you want um and I think you know to be

45:58

ready to do it or to get used to doing it is start out with simple things like

46:05

a recipe or um you know my car's making this noise and always try to focus on

46:13

turning to an llm to so to get into the habit and my um Journey with doing that

46:20

was quite easy because I would always lean on my son because he's a platform

46:26

uh engineer I would always ask him about um something on the computer and he was

46:32

like ask chat GPT he he wouldn't even he wouldn't even answer me anymore he's

46:38

like why are you asking me that's it let let me Google that for you let me chat gbt that for you right yeah so it was

46:45

actually easy for me to um start using chat gbt I mean I I messed around with

46:52

it at work a little bit I wrote poems about all the sleep texts because we honestly have to do things to keep

46:58

ourselves awake most of our patients health is very stable so it's not like you know you're like right there in the

47:05

monitor you know so um yeah I think advice for someone just starting out

47:11

would be write everything that's in your brain plug it into an llm and then brainstorm yourself away

47:19

with whatever you might want to move on to after that and what helped me a lot

47:26

is um just play with it is really what helped a lot mess around but anything

47:34

that comes to your mind like a foreheaded frog just put it in there whatever you want just amazing just

47:42

amazing so good Joy this I hope hopefully that wasn't too painful that was really awesome I I had a great time

47:50

I'm so honored that you had me as your first guests and thank you so much you guys are amazing and the you know she

47:56

leads Ai and the salon compliment each other so much yeah I'm a member of she

48:03

leads AI I'm also a member of the salon and um you know my journey is you know

48:08

just in the beginning and can you believe we're just in the

48:14

beginning getting started yeah amazing all of us and and yet it feels like it

48:21

feels like we've been doing it for 20 years but it it does one one week in AI

48:28

is probably like three months it really is so people get started don't don't

48:33

hold back there it is there's there's the advice just get started if anyone

48:38

who's watching this really take Joy's advice to heart just jump in recognize

48:44

that how you use these tools is not how you've used tools in the past how do you learn what works jump in play right you

48:53

might discover that you're an artist you might or ReDiscover that you're an artist you might ReDiscover that you're

48:58

a Storyteller right absolutely guys where where can people

49:05

find your um you know your stuff I'm so

49:10

new at this I don't even have that information at my fingertips but if you just type in AI um Joy py on YouTube

49:18

you'll find me Tik top is Tik Tock is uh Joy pry zero I think X is Joy pry zero I

49:26

I should have see I'm so new at all doing these things that I don't really have all of that at my in my head yet um

49:35

but look yeah I was gonna say I'm on your I'm on your Tik Tok right now it's we've got the

49:40

technology so yeah what did you say uh uh Tik Tok and YouTube are both yeah you

49:48

YouTube is is a one of those silly number ones and I think if you just type

49:53

in Joy py AI I'll pop up so okay got it um you know I had no plans on doing all

50:00

of this so when I signed up for YouTube I didn't make anything special you know

50:07

for AI so well you'll get there I mean listen the way these algorithms work you just put just keep putting out good

50:13

content and you the other thing you don't know is like you might not have a ton of numbers but you never know who's

50:19

watching I know you've had some opportunities come your way I think that's GNA keep happening right just

50:25

keep I'm working on a children's book I'm turning it into a film now oh that's

50:30

awesome yeah so I mean things that I I've I have another actually oh my gosh

50:36

I gotta call her another woman I met at the sleep lab she just published a children's book so I'm gonna have two

50:43

children's books I'm working on making films and and they're paid too that's

50:48

amazing absolutely amazing yeah congratulations conrat fun amazing I

50:56

love it thank you for having me so much thank you for being here Joy thanks for and I think that Joy pry it's zero and

51:03

not a o yeah party zero all right thank you so much do you

51:10

have to kick me out I got you wow that was amazing wow that was so

Joy's Future In Filmmaking

51:16

good that's so cool about the children's books movies and they're paid gigs and

51:22

it's you know and it's like you know she's getting ready to retire as a sleep Tech and she's like now I'm ready to

51:29

start my film career yeah I love like yeah that reinvention like if there's a

51:35

reason why I keep you know showing up and putting in the time with the salon and you with she lead's AI is it's like

51:43

these stories they're flipp and inspiring they're being around the energy of people who are becoming is a

51:52

delicious energy to be around yeah I don't around with anyone we're gonna get

51:58

you oh yeah she needs definitely Mary Massie we need a a store for Joy's Wares

52:05

yeah exactly we'll get we'll get joy some support to get her uh get her out there and invisible but but it's it's so

52:12

cool yeah um okay so let's um let's let's wind up episode one um I will talk

Community Spotlight: The AI Salon

52:21

about the salon for a little bit and then you can do she leads and then we'll talk about the the the AI Readiness uh

52:28

training program um if you um are looking for community so an and I both

52:35

you know respectively head up these two communities as Joyce said they're very very complimentary to one another the AI

52:42

Salon is a community we about 3,000 strong now globally um all all over the

52:48

all over the the world of AI optimists and creators and and it's it's kind of

52:54

the best way I can do it and the way we do what we do is we play first we then mindfully create and we generously lead

53:01

and the generously lead is the thing Joy talked about learning out loud and sharing what she's learning and being

53:07

generous with the process as much as the product um and so if if that sounds good

53:13

to you it's it's just an incredibly generous curious that energy that you just talked about an like that if if I

53:19

were to talk about the salon it's like that's the energy in it of people discovering themselves right yeah

53:26

so go to the salon. and if you click on there's a button there that says join our community just click on that and you

53:32

know it'll take you to the community and just jump in step two is introduce yourself I would strongly encourage you

53:38

to do that use your real name put up your picture or your AI enhanced picture we fully support AI makeovers

53:49

so so tell us about she leads so she leads AI our mission statement is we

Community Spotlight: She Leads AI

53:57

unite accomplished women to advance AI for Global prosperity and we do that in

54:03

a couple of different ways we have the shile AI Academy which has all of our courses in it we have boot camps we have

54:11

on demand we've got intensives Retreats

54:17

Etc we have a Consulting agency and we have our community which I'll talk about

54:23

in a sec we also have public affairs and AI policy so our community is like the

54:31

AI Salon a group of you know Ai optimists and what I really love about

54:38

my group in it well you know what this is not all that different from the AI Salon in many ways but the radical

54:45

willingness to be vulnerable it is so cool to be around because I'm utterly

54:52

convinced that the best learning in AI is happening inside the community and the reason why we can go bananas is

55:00

because it's safe right there's like a social contract there that isn't there

55:05

in the you know big like scary interwebs it's it's us right we've got like the as

55:12

you know you guys have your values it's clear you go through them every night similarly we have a culture of

55:20

psychological safety and pouring into one one another and really encouraging each other on our Journeys somebody

55:28

described it the other day in a in a way I hadn't thought of it before but I think it makes so much sense for the AI

55:34

era is in communities like ours you get to borrow Confidence from the other

55:41

people so if there was a moment where somebody was thinking I will never you

55:47

know I'm never going to share my video with someone and they hear that Joy once

55:53

thought that too yeah and they see what she's doing now they're like oh this is

55:58

temporary I feel like I can't share it right now but I actually can or maybe I

56:03

need to wait a little bit but it's cool because you see that somebody else is on the top of their game when you're maybe

56:09

in that overwhelm mode so she leads ai. is the is our group yeah it's that's

56:16

beautiful the the other thing that about about both of the communities that really excites me is is the diversity of

56:23

perspective and and you know one of the things you and I have talked about this for a long time we did this I remember

56:29

when we were doing um GPT for good we we we made a rule no apologizing remember

56:35

that because everyone would get on and they would the first thing they would do is well I'm not really good at AI

56:40

everyone would apologize for what they didn't know yeah and then they would share the thing that they thought was

56:46

insignificant because it was obvious to them and everyone else would be like oh

56:51

my God yes that's i' never even thought about it like that like that that thing

56:57

and and to your point like being in a place where you know you can I just I I was on a call with a guy I worked with

57:02

years ago really good friend of mine and I told him I'm working on this AI Musical and he got really weird there

57:08

was like this defense went up and and it was like I haven't experienced it in a

57:14

while because I'm surrounded with people that don't have that yes right so something about that freedom what did

57:20

you call it psychological safety right there's something about being in a community like both of ours where

57:25

there's psychological safety there and then you get all these different points of view and it accelerates your learning like ridiculously ridiculous that is the

57:34

way I think it's well for me anyway it's been the best way to learn and it's also

57:39

I want to give you a little I don't want to guess you up too much but just a little bit which is and we say it all

57:45

the time in she leads AI be the fifth grader to the fourth graders you taught us that as soon as you're the fifth

57:51

grader you're ready to go out there because the fourth grader needs you and the fourth grader does need to talk to a

57:57

12th grader they need to talk to the fifth grader y That's great yeah and and listen I mean the the the best way to

58:04

learn is to teach right so learn a little bit get it out there and just

58:09

yeah bring bring people along for the ride which leads us too so one of the joys of AI like the

The AI Readiness Training Program

58:18

reason we were able to put this together so quickly was because of AI tools is

58:24

also one of their their burdens so so um we're a little bit behind on launching this just because AI started Mal

58:31

behaving Midway through developing the curriculum but we're working on it Vicki's cranking away we're we're

58:36

cheering her on um but but it it malb behaved so so we're probably I'm

58:42

guessing a week week and a half away from launching but if you're ready for a

58:48

course that is it's absolutely remarkable we took a lot of the content from AI FES of us and we really thought

58:55

about what are the things that were being taught you know not from individual sessions but across them so

59:01

in the program um for for AI Readiness there's five different sections

59:07

foundations for AI Readiness like a lot of the stuff we talked about today AI in business AI in

59:15

creativity um policy ethics and Civic engagement and then practical applications of AI so you get to um

59:22

relive some of those uh presentations and convers ations that were had and

59:27

then there's training of the lessons that were derived out of those and then there's testing for that so go sign up

59:33

there we'll be going live probably within two weeks but you can get information there and sign up there and

59:39

as soon as we're ready we will let you know any other things you want to share about well you get a you get a

59:45

certificate everybody exactly let's not forget that part you get a certificate

59:50

and you can tell everybody about it you can put it on your CV you can put it on

59:55

your social social media you can I don't know what you know all your friends who

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are so tired of you talking to them about AI now you can say hey look at this yeah exactly yeah look how cool I

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am I got a certificate yeah the way we Design This we also designed this we wanted this to be tool agnostic that if

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the tools change what you learn in this doesn't go stale right this is and

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that's the whole purpose of this podcast so yes with that an six days after we

Outro and Thank You

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said we were going to do a podcast here we are we did it we've made it we've gotten to to the Finish

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Line bye Vicky bye Vicky oh man by every bye Mary oh

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Mary all right everybody thank you so much bye and thank you this was awesome bye you're

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amazing same